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Videre Farm

01-24-2008 10:06:48




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Hey or should I say Hay,

A little off topic but related to buck rakes and hay stackers. Does anyone know where to find instructions on how to build a loose hay stack to withstand the weather? I understand it is more of an art than a science.

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Pat




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Dick2

01-25-2008 14:37:48




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
That brings back a lot of memories. My grandfather designed a wooden overshot stacker before he left Iowa in 1918 and sold the rights to John Deere. After he signed all of the papers and got his money, they told him that he couldn't make another one for himself; he had to buy one from JD.

After he moved to ND, he figured JD would never find out so he made one each for himself, my Dad and an uncle. My first job in the hayfield was driving the team that pulled the load of hay up and over to dump the hay on top of the stack. My two older brothers kept the stack tromped and level.

Dad ran the horse drawn bucker. If the horses tried to run away, he'd step off the back seat that balanced the bucker and let those long teeth jab into the ground - - that stopped a runaway real quick.

In the winter, we used a team-drawn sleigh with a big hay rack on it. We used a hay knife to slice down through the stack for ease of loading with a fork.

Dad got a Case hand-tie wire baler in 1946; that was the end of making stacks of loose hay for us.

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Suffolk2

01-25-2008 12:13:38




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
There is a book written by Lynn Miller (he publishes The Small Farmers Journal) titled "Haying With Horses". It goes into a lot of detail about building haystacks and other related haying procedures. Check the web site for Small Farmers Journal for more information.



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Jerry/MT

01-24-2008 21:03:40




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
Come out to the Little Blackfoot River Country of Montana near Garrison in the summer. They still put it up with a beaverslide stacker in that country!



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C-man

01-24-2008 21:01:40




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
Stacking loose hay is definately a lost art. In the 60's to the mid-70's everyone around here did "loose hay stacking". Some people had very nice stacks others had nice hay piles!! A friend had a very large stack that was put up in 1952 and they fed it in 1985 and the hay was still green in the middle of the stack. I guess it can keep pretty well in loose stacks!



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RayP(MI)

01-24-2008 17:34:17




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
We had a renter try to make hay with one of those chopper/wagon harvesters - chopper would blow hay into wagon, and periodically the top would come down hydraulically and compress hay into loaf shaped bale. Later he came back with a trailer with chains on the bed, and tried to pick them up. It was a fiasco. Hay didn't keep, bales fell apart and were blown apart by wind. Recovering bales with the trailer lead to more falling apart. He probably lost more than half in the operation. I would think loose hay stored outside would be subject to much the same problems.

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Joe H.

01-24-2008 17:19:16




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
allen in ne has got the right idea never seen it done thats how granddad did it he would know 58 to 65 stacks a year from 1952 to 1961



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KEH

01-24-2008 15:54:41




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  

This isn't really what you asked, but an eastern hay stack went like this. Cut hay with mule drawn IHC #9 mower. Take a cedar pole 10 or 12 feet long, sharpen the end that goes up. Put pole in ground. Place limbs, old lumber, etc., around pole to keep hay of ground. Rake hay into rows with horse drawn rake which rakes about 8 feet wide. Go long ways along the row and make little piles with the rake. Hitch mules to wagon. Put board frame work on top of wagon to widen the area where the hay will be piled. Drive wagon along side piles of hay and load with pitchfork. Muzzle mules so they won't eat hay. Take hay to pole to make stack. Unload hay with pitch fork in a circular pile around pole, packing it by walking on it. Gradually reduce diameter of stack. At top of stack put a clump of hay down over sharp point to shed water. Possibly tie a piece of canvas around top of pole to help shed water. Don't let kids slide on stack and tear it down. Hay will keep just as well this way as round bales will, maybe better. Feed with pitchfork.

Mower and rake later modernized by making hitch for tractor.

KEH

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Allan In NE

01-24-2008 10:20:39




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Videre Farm, 01-24-2008 10:06:48  
Assuming that you have a sweep with 10' teeth, push up 6 or 8 sweep loads together in a square fashion on the ground. 2 wide and 3 or 4 long.

Here's the hard part:

Put the hired man, the wife, your son, a salesman or any available warm body on the pile with a pitchfork with instructions to "Tromp it down while pulling the hay out to the edges and corners".

Continue setting the hay on the pile with the loader. At about 17 or 18 feet tall, hollar up and tell 'em to start bringing the edges "in" to form a rounded "roof".

Last step is to let the hired help down off the stack by riding the loader head down.

Under no circumstances should you ever take the pitchfork into your own hands. :>)

Allan

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Animal

01-24-2008 16:34:43




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Allan In NE, 01-24-2008 10:20:39  
Boy I was sure glad when I grew up enough to drive the loader and quit stomping stacks!



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Videre Farm

01-24-2008 14:49:33




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Allan In NE, 01-24-2008 10:20:39  
Hey,
In my case, I would have to send the husband up on the pile but he ain't around anymore. He told me I had to choose between him or a new tractor. Damn I love that tractor!!



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LenND

01-24-2008 13:37:15




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to Allan In NE, 01-24-2008 10:20:39  
Hey! That sounds like a voice of experience. LOL BTDT



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steveormary

01-25-2008 05:56:31




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 Re: Loose Hay Stacks in reply to LenND, 01-24-2008 13:37:15  
In the early 1950's along came the F10 Farmhand with a hay buck on it. Well,mabe sooner. Alot of farmers never touched their stacks with a pitchfork. Just lay the hay on the stack and pack it down some with the hay head. I would start raking with the dumprake and Dad would start stacking and by the time I got done re-raking(rember that word Allan?) Dad would be bout done stacking. We would always top out the stack with the weeds and sandburs.

steveormary

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