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N-Viro Soil and Spreader to use

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ClemBert

01-23-2008 17:55:31




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Anyone here use a product called N-Viro Soil (NVS)? (http://www.nviro.com/soil.html) It is primarily made from biosolids (sewage sludge) and "fly ash". Fly ash usually comes from a coal fired power plant where calcium carbonate is used as part of the "sulfer scrubbing" proceedure to keep sulfer out of the atmosphere. This product, while it has similarities to Milorganite in that sewage sluge is used, is NOT the same as Milorganite.

Just curious if anyone uses this product and what your thoughts are. PLEASE, no comments about the negatives of Milorganite...THIS IS NOT Milorganite so I don't want to hear about the pros and cons of Milorganite. Rather, I'd like to hear about the pros and cons of NVS.

It sells for about $25 per ton and two tons per acre will get you a N-P-K of 40 lbs, 20 lbs, 20 lbs, respectively.

Last, since this is an implement board I'd like to know what you would recommend to spread this stuff. It has the look and consistency of soil (dirt). With two tons per acres needed (minimum) I think a 500lb rotary spreader on the back of the tractor would make this a miserable job. I've heard that this stuff stinks...it smells like ammonia and the takes two days for the air to clear.

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backwoodsfarm

01-24-2008 15:54:34




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 Re: N-Viro Soil and Spreader to use in reply to ClemBert, 01-23-2008 17:55:31  
We use something similar in the Northeast called Fertilimer. It is paper mill lime and organic material that equals a ratio of 68-34-0. It also contains about lime and is applied at a pretty heavy rate and the only thing that will spread it is a side slinger manure spreader. Ours is a Kuhn/Knight and it works really good. Regular rear discharge spreaders just don"t spread it well.



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BCnT

01-24-2008 07:57:54




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 Re: N-Viro Soil and Spreader to use in reply to ClemBert, 01-23-2008 17:55:31  
i'm not familar with NVS but i've used fly ash from a lignite fired power plant on my hay patch...got kind of a clay/sand mix that doesnt hold moisture too good in dry spells...the fly ash acts sort of like gypsum...it used to be free if you hauled it but with price of fuel lately... benefits to me aint worth tha trip.
only bad thing i've seen in sewage sludge is the non-organic solids...mostly plastics...simply amazing what some folks stuff down the toilet :(

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IaGary

01-24-2008 04:16:50




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 Re: N-Viro Soil and Spreader to use in reply to ClemBert, 01-23-2008 17:55:31  
That analysis in regular fertilizer would be a little cheaper than what the NVS is gonna cost you.

But with the regular dry fertilizer you would only have to spread about 140 pounds of material per acre to get the same 40-20-20.

What is the carrier or rest of the 4000 pounds to the acre you are spreading? Is it organic matter?

Sounds like you are handling a bunch of pounds of stuff that has little or no value and paying about the same money as regular fertilizer.

Gary

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ClemBert

01-24-2008 07:14:34




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 Cost versus synthetic fertilizer in reply to IaGary, 01-24-2008 04:16:50  
The formulation you compared with at 140 lbs/acre would mean the N-P-K would have to be a 29-14-14 mix. Down here in Florida that would be a custom blend generally meaning more $cha-ching$. However, the NVS would cost $50 per acre and I'm sure a custom blend of 29-14-14 is do-able for $50/acre.

Here are the standard fertilizers stocked down here in Orlando:

16-4-8 3% Iron $420/ton - $52.50/acre @ 40lbs N/acre
24-5-11 6% Iron $590/ton - $49.17/acre @ 40lbs N/acre

By the way, I was looking at the comparison of the heavy metal content of both NVS and commercial synthetic fertilizer and the number appear to be very similar. The NVS is lower than the commercial fertilizer for most of the heavy metals. In any case both fertilizers are well below the EQS limits per the EPA.

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ClemBert

01-24-2008 06:54:11




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 Other contents of N-Viro Soil (NVS) in reply to IaGary, 01-24-2008 04:16:50  
The cost DELIVERED is $25/ton.

This is what is advertised:

Nitrogen 20 lbs/ton
Phosphorous 10/lbs/ton
Potassium 10 lbs/ton
Magnesium 8 lbs/ton
Sulfer 20 lbs/ton
Calcium 490 lbs/ton
Micronutrients

Alternative to having to add Dolomite/Lime because this material contains lime dust from Fly-Ash. Thus, it is a low cost alternative to having to add Dolomite. It has half the liming capacity of pure limestone.

The solids content is 65% (I assume there is a certain percent of water per ton) with the balance of the material not listed at the top being organic matter (500 lbs/ton)

Last, it has a moisture rentention of 45-75%. NVS has the consistency of high organic soil which is probably good down here in Florida since our soils tend to be VERY sandy.

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IaGary

01-24-2008 05:04:53




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 Re: N-Viro Soil and Spreader to use in reply to IaGary, 01-24-2008 04:16:50  
I went to the web site to check it out.

Sounds like it is a bunch of organic matter from waste treatment plants. Which may be fine.

One thing to watch out for is make up of the organic matter.

Example- There is a cardboard recylcing plant near here. After 4 turns as cardboard it is no longer usable as cardboard. So they will give it to farmers for free,as organic matter. They even will spread it for free.

But it's makeup will tie up the nitrogen in the soil and not release it to the plants. So in return they will also pay for 100 units of Nitrogen to apply with it.

All sounds good to here, buuuttt it alos ties up the nitrogen for future years and there done with you after the first year.

Lets see they spread for free and give you the Nitrogen to get rid of their old cardboard.

The real kicker is the fellow they have hired to haul the stuff to your farm and spread it also farms.

And he will not spread it on his own farm!

What does that tell you.

Just some food for thought.

Gary

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