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dsmall

01-20-2008 11:17:22




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i've got an international 430 baler that won't let the knot pull off the bill hook on the side closest to the pickup, i've let the bill hook pressure, the twine disk pressure, and the twine tension pressure off to the point it doesn't make a knot, i've taken the bill hook apart and pollished it, i can't see why the knot won't pull off, i've considered buying a new hook but thats around $300, and i don't want to put that much into that old of a baler, does anybody have any ideas for me to try? thanks
darren

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ArleninOr

01-26-2008 10:16:29




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to dsmall, 01-20-2008 11:17:22  
dsmall same book as below but number is diff have to concur with what is being said below but also check the condition of your billhook and the clearance on the wiper service manual number I have is GSS-1451-1 Hope this helps



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johns48jdb

01-21-2008 13:41:10




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to dsmall, 01-20-2008 11:17:22  
dsmall, the length of the spring holding the closing cam in place is between 1 1/4 and 1 5/16. the catalog part number for the service manual is gss-1424-k. this was 25 or 30 years ago. i have the manual and if you can't find one i'll have it copied and mailed to you at cost to me. there is some dimensions mentioned for a bunch of things in there and without the book there is no way to expalain them to you. i really think your just setting the cam tension to tight. good luck. are you able to just hand feed some hay into the baler and see if you have it right. you don't have to feed a whole bale in to make it trip. you can trip it by hand once it goes through the tieing cycle and packs a little hay into the chamber. just be careful here and don't get caught in an moving parts. a neighbor up the road was working on his in the field and he told his son to turn it over while he looked up in under the baler. it happened to be set where it triggered the needles to move and crushed his head. em mail me at johns48b@aol.com

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ejr-IA

01-20-2008 19:55:47




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to dsmall, 01-20-2008 11:17:22  
Theirs a knotter hook jaw opening wear piece number 25 in the manual that mat not let it open far enough to let the twine come off.



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ArleninOr

01-20-2008 13:16:06




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to dsmall, 01-20-2008 11:17:22  
I have the repair manual for that baler so I will look up your problem and let you know. Will also give you part nimber for book but not sure if it is still available. Sort of talked a baler mech out of a llot of his books



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johns48jdb

01-20-2008 11:34:56




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to dsmall, 01-20-2008 11:17:22  
the best i can remember there is a certain amount of pull its suppose to take to release that twine. the knotters on that baler will fit several different models so see if you can find an old 46 or 47. there may be others but i know these will fit. swap the bill hooks out with some from another baler, but i thinkyour problem is just setting the tension right. be sure that the roller on the back of the hook is free to turn and that the part tht puts tension on the bill hook hasn't gotten so worn that it want let the bill hook function right. i use to have a book by ih that told you the things to do for different problems with your baler. see if that book is still available from ih. the biggest problem i had with a 440 was trash building up under the knotters and it would interfer with their actions.also be sure to replace the knives that cut the twine real regular. just sharpening them doesn't work. it shortens them up to much to work properly.

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dsmall

01-20-2008 11:58:45




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to johns48jdb, 01-20-2008 11:34:56  
yea, i do my best to keep it cleaned out under the knotters, i've switched the cams for the bill hook between the two sides and with one from another baler and the problem stays on the inside knotter. the roller turn freely, i've changed the knotter knives. if i bale 40 bales, probably 20 of them the knot won't pull off and you can't even pull it off by hand you have to pry the bill hook open and pry the knot off or cut it off,
thanks darren

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johns48jdb

01-20-2008 15:40:15




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to dsmall, 01-20-2008 11:58:45  
have you looked at the springs on the back of the cam follower. is it the same length and dia as the other one. does it feel the same if you press down on both of them at the same time. do the bill hook look like it been hit and bent down by a needle out of time at some time in its life. seems like to me that there had to be a certain size washer or spacer between the knotter assy and the frame where the front of the knotter bolted to the frame. i've seen that washer get left off and that side wouldn't tie right. just curious. on my 440 seems like it was the inside string just wasn't located over as far from the edge as the other string was and it would come off the bale real ease unless you handled it just so so. i don't know where i have on old knotter assy or not. if it warms up some tomorrow i'll look for it. you can have it if i do. i'm in north al.

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dsmall

02-01-2008 15:35:40




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to johns48jdb, 01-20-2008 15:40:15  
i appreciate all the input. sorry it took me so long to get back here, i've tried most all the suggestions given, the only thing i haven't done is try a different bill hook, and a new one is around $300 so i've got to look for a good used one, it's just too cold out right now, thanks darren



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dsmall

01-20-2008 15:59:13




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 Re: 430 baler in reply to johns48jdb, 01-20-2008 15:40:15  
yea, i changed out the spring that puts pressure on the twine disks and the spring that puts pressure on the bill hook. i can't see where the bill hook is bent, it grabs the twine perfect, it just won't let go, i've pollished it till it's 10 times smoother than the other, and i always bolt the knotters down the same, i've also retimed the knotter countless times and rebuilt the plunger just incase it wasn't packing the hay even on both sides and not pulling even on both sides

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darren

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