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What Implements Would I Need?

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Steven, Avilla

12-31-2007 10:35:41




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I used to rent out about 40 acres that a farmer grew crops on but now he is no longer able to rent it. With bean prices so high right now I was wondering if I could make some money at it. I was thinking that I could pay someone to combine the beans for me and I know someone with a tractor trailer that can haul them for me. My question is what would be the best equipment that I could use to plant them with? I'm talking good used that is, not new. I've heard that I should disc up the ground and then use a planter of some sort. I have a MF 165 tractor. Any ideas?

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GeneMO

01-02-2008 13:06:02




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 10:35:41  
Steven, What county are you in? You can hire the spraying done, dont even consider getting into that.

I would try to bush hog down any tall weeds right now, or ASAP. Soil test now. The local farm coop will generally pay for the test if you buy the fert through them. Then broadcast the fertilizer as soon as the ground will carry. Even in Jan. Gives it time for the rain to take some of the nutrients down. Once the grass starts greening up.. Hit it with Roundup. When the soil temp is warming up (May 15 to June 1) and the weeds and grass are dead, then no till the Beans in with a no till drill. Make sure to get Roundup-ready beans.

You can speed up the soil test process by hand carrying the samples to Mumford hall in Columbia Mo. on the MU campus. The MU extension web site gives lots of info.

good luck,, Gene

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paul

01-01-2008 14:53:53




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 10:35:41  
'Here' land rent prices have gone up as much as grain prices have, so perhaps your best option is to hook up with a new tennent at a higher rent?

I don't know your status with the farm program, that can be a nightmare of paperwork, and sounds like you might not have the best experience at raising a crop, it is real easy to make 50bu per acre beans turn into 30bu beans.

Grain prices go in cycles, this level of prices will not hold beyond 2 years, probably only another 9-16 months. Will you get your experience & machinery paid off in that time?

There are many reasons to farm it yourself, but if 'more money' is the main one, I'd think real long about this direction.

Not telling you not to - just give it some thought. If you don't care about the money, but want to be farming it yourself - go for it, have fun. :)

--->Paul

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Steven, Avilla MO

01-02-2008 12:49:14




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to paul, 01-01-2008 14:53:53  
Thanks to everyone for your input. I've gotten a ton of information about my options. It's sure something that I want to do and I think that I can do it and make some money at it as well. I'm just not sure that I can get all of my equipment purchased and everything ready by this spring. I think that the land will have to be disked before I can plant. The previous renter on the previous year grew millet on half of the land and did nothing on the other half. He then baled the millet and let weeds grow up on the other half. Before that, he grew beans on all of it. I'm assuming that I could disc both the millet remains and the weeds and then use a drill to plant. But, like someone said, I have no experience so I could screw it up and have no beans at all. In any case, I'm going to try and go to the auctions to find some equipment that will work either this year of next year.

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PreciseFarms

12-31-2007 19:02:26




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 10:35:41  
Unless the ground needs disking I'd rent a no-till drill from a local dealer or co-op. You should be able to handle up to a 10ft with little or no problems. You can fertilize with a rented buggy and you can pick up a decent used sprayer for little of nothing. This would allow you to do more yourself and save money. With a no-till system and Roundup Ready beans you can do just fine without working your ground up. And if you have a dry summer you will do better on less rain since the trash on top holds in moisture. As someone else said you could also pick up an old used combine for cheap. This year could pay for a lot of your investments if you make a good crop (40bu beans on 40ac=1600 bu; 1600bu * $10.00or more per bu=$16000). Even if you figure $100 per acre or $4000 for seed, fertilizer, fuel, etc., you still make some money. Just my $.02.

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Don-Wi

12-31-2007 23:21:34




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to PreciseFarms, 12-31-2007 19:02:26  
I doubt a 165 would be able to handle a 10' no till. Our 12' single disc Van Brunt is a load, although our 165 can pull it. No way a 45 HP tractor can pull a 10' no till. Not in this area atleast.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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James22

01-02-2008 09:08:47




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Don-Wi, 12-31-2007 23:21:34  
He might need to install duals and weight for traction, but he can pull a ten foot drill if he goes slow enough. From what I've read, it is a lot better to go slow at 2-3 mph rather than try to "fly" at 7-10 mph. I thought a 165 was more like 50 hp. If he has steep hills to ascend than all bets are off.



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Don-Wi

01-02-2008 11:04:01




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to James22, 01-02-2008 09:08:47  
50 on a good day with the perkins deisel. Ours is a continental gas which is slightly less HP, but it's still comparable. Might be able to crawl in 1st gear low, but that's much slower than 2-3 MPH.

3rd gear low is right in that 2-3mph range, and it's what we pull our grain drill with. It can pull it and we could go in 4th gear (1st high) with it, but there's no way it'd pull a 10' no-till at the same speed.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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flying belgian

12-31-2007 14:22:28




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 10:35:41  
I don't know the size of your 165 but you can pickup a old 12 ft disk for less then $200. Disk it once and plant it. any old drill will do a nice job planting beans. If your land is right near your buildings you can even get by with steel wheels on drill. $50 to $100 dollars for drill. Go to a auction and pickup an old 200 gallon sprayer which they can hardly get a bid on. Maybe $40 bucks for the sprayer. Talk to your seed man and ask what variety bean works best in your area for solid seeding. If you want to have more fun go buy an old combine for less than a thousand dollars. And a flare box wagon for $200. spend another $200 for new tires on wagon. Otherwise have a neighbor combine them and haul to town. Either way once it is harvested you will want to spread some fertilizer after harvest and disk it in fall for preparation of next years bean crop. ask local co-0p what fertilizer is best for planting beans after beans.

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MF Poor

12-31-2007 11:01:05




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 10:35:41  
To keep your investment low and stay with equipment that tractor can handle, I"d say a sprayer (or hire out spraying as an option) , a disc, either a grain drill or 2/4 row planter. (Drill better IMHO)



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Steven, Avilla MO

12-31-2007 11:15:56




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to MF Poor, 12-31-2007 11:01:05  
I'm assuming say a 7' disc? What brand or model of grain drill should I be looking for? Do I have to disc it if I use a drill?



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Leroy

01-01-2008 08:50:41




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 11:15:56  
Most depends on what the previous crop was. If soybeans a 10-11" field cultivator. If corn stalks a 10-11' disc and multi passes, possibly mow them first with a bush hog type mower 5' to chop up the stalks so disc will go thru easier. If sod then you will need a plow 3-14" 3 point for that tractor, then the disc and depending on type of soil (easy working or hard working) possibly a cultimulcher. After the first year on beans after beans only the field cultivator, no disc or plow or stalk chopper. Skip buying a sprayer and hire it done (You do NOT want to have to go through the hassel of getting a private pesticide applicators licence). Any size grain drill will work but a 17-7 would be about the size to pull back of that size disc or field cultivator, unless it is a press wheel drill a cultipacker to hook behind the drill to get a firm seedbed like the new no till drils and all corn planters do. You gould also use a corn planter and if it is a 40" row planter go over twice for a 20" row spacing or 30" planter for a 15" spacing (What the new no till planters with a splitter plant in). A good used combine in 10-12' size you should be able to buy for possibly $500. I do knot know what custom combining is running now but at $25 per acre it would cost you a $1,000 to get them harvested for 1 year and at $500 for a machine it would cost you $12.50 per acre for the first year for the machine and second year only cost of repairs and fuel. A good choice if not sod for first year would be a 7' no till drill for the only implement you would need. These sizes of implements are asseming you have loaded tires and if it is the utility version of the 165 with the 28" wheels duals, singles would prohibit you from pulling any no till drill or anything more than a 8' disc. That tractor is rated at 52 max PTO HP. If the high version with 38" wheels you will be a lot better. We pulled a 12" disc or 11 1/2' field cultivator or a 3-14 or 3-16" plow with our 4000 Fords that are a direct equivilant of the 165 MF and we had the 38" wheels, tires loaded and duals.

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Don-Wi

12-31-2007 15:16:20




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 Re: What Implements Would I Need? in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 12-31-2007 11:15:56  
A 7' disc would probably be ok, but you might be able to use a little bit wider one too. If you can find an old JD Van Brunt drill, most people seem to know more about them and where to get any parts than any of the other old drills. Otherwise any old drill would do the trick.

You would still need a disc or something to work the soil even if you get a drill, because a drill doesn't have the down pressure required to actually get down in the dirt if it isn't loose already.

As far as width of drills go, we've got an old Van Brunt that's about 12' wide and we pull it from time to time with our 165, as well as a pair of packers on the back. Pulls it no problem.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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