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corn to cattle??s

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steven in tn

12-29-2007 08:11:45




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any one feeding there cattle dry corn on the cob?
been feeding this with there hay for the last 4 weeks, and can tell a little difference in them.
does the corn help? when i see whole corn in there crap, i dont know how much it helps.




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Ohio88

12-30-2007 19:04:58




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to steven in tn, 12-29-2007 08:11:45  
Try picking up one of those whole kernals in the waste. You will find it is empty. The inside has been digested.

We have tried both andthe numbers indicate that there is less then 3% less corn per pound of gain with cracked corn. Not worth the effort.



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kyhayman

12-29-2007 22:00:48




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to steven in tn, 12-29-2007 08:11:45  
According to this study that I found in a quick search there appears to be little difference between whole, cracked, or ground corn>Link

That>Link backs up what I have read over the years that the main benefit to grinding corn is to slow down intake not increase digestion.



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OTP

12-29-2007 09:11:02




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to steven in tn, 12-29-2007 08:11:45  
Up until the mid fifties most cattle feeders were corn belt farmers feeding earcorn.They ran a couple of hogs per steer to clean up the undigested corn. Young calves will chew earcorn fully and not over eat so it is good creep feed.



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hayray

12-29-2007 08:41:00




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to steven in tn, 12-29-2007 08:11:45  
There is only a 5% less utilization rate between ground, cracked versus whole shelled corn. The cattle utilize the starch out of the kernal and not much of the hull. Even in ground corn you still see a lot of corn hull passed through the manure. Grinding corn only pays off if you are feeding a whole lot of cattle and mixing complete mixes and mixing in other products to cheapen the cost of your feed.

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RodInNS

12-29-2007 19:57:23




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to hayray, 12-29-2007 08:41:00  
I'd like to see a stack of paper supporting those numbers..... ...
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I won't believe it until I see the research on it.
Nobody would crack corn for a 5% increase in utilization. It wouldn't pay. What you're saying doesn't really make sense to me... The reason I've always been given for grinding/rolling/processing corn or any other grain for ruminants is to crack the hard shell of the kernel so that the starch is exposed for digestion. If it's not cracked, it isn't exposed to the enzymes to digest it and it passes through the animal completly.

Rod

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hayray

12-30-2007 04:58:52




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to RodInNS, 12-29-2007 19:57:23  
There is plenty of research on the topic, so much that all you need to do is google feeding cattle whole shelled vs. cracked, processed etc. Now in feeding dairy you would have difficulty getting enough protein and minerals in the ration with out mixing some sort of TMR or something close to it, because you have a lot of other factors in a milk factory like a dairy cow, you need an increadable amount of daily feed intake also, but cattle feeders are not grinding because of starch utilization, it is because they are mixing other co-products. In feeding beef cattle I highly doubt if you are feeding a small herd you are going to pay off the grinder expense. Plus, I will ask the question again, show me cattle on ground corn that are not passing small pieces of the corn hull into the manure.

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paul

12-30-2007 15:19:23




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to hayray, 12-30-2007 04:58:52  
There has been a lot of research - with different results, so we can 'prove' either way. :)

High moisture corn is better absorbed even if it is left whole. Around here most everyone will grind it, small or large herd, if it is dry corn.

The studies are interesting, but contradict themselves at times.

--->Paul



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Tim(nj)

12-29-2007 20:17:48




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 Re: corn to cattle??s in reply to RodInNS, 12-29-2007 19:57:23  
I was thinking the same thing. All the dairy farmers over in Pennsylvania (and the few who are left in NJ) who feed corn, either ear, dry shelled, or high moisture shelled, do some sort of processing to it. I'm thinking 25% is more like the number . . . . have to dig up some research on it.



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