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Hugh MF Poor

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BC in TN

12-21-2007 17:47:18




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I asked recently about a John Deere 3 point disc.
You guys made me think a lot with your comments.
What do you think about this MF disc?
I still didn't get an answer about tractor HP; I'll be using a disc for some gardening and light hayfield renovation. My little tractor has about 32 HP - is a 7' disc too much?
If you were looking for a disc today for my purposes - what would you be looking for?

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sparepartsTN

12-22-2007 17:26:08




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 17:47:18  
BC
This may or may not help you, but I"ll add my experience here in TN. I just disked part of an old hay field in mid-october, started with a 5 ft. Taylor way bog disk (pull type), then hooked a 6 ft Dearborn disk (pull type) behind it. I have a 7 ft heavy steel bar that is pulled from the back of the Dearborn disk for smoothing. My last pass over the field with both disks sunk to the axles, set at maximum angle, and dragging the bar made my old Ford work a bit. My tractor is tired, so about 30 hp, 14.9-28 loaded tires and pie weights, still had trouble with traction going up the hills, but it did the job with no complaints. I have "silt loam" (clay) soil. I don"t think that 3 point disk will pull any harder than two disks hooked together (3 axles).
Warren

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MF#1

12-22-2007 07:41:51




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 17:47:18  
Second the motion! A fine disc! Dad bought one in the 60"s and it somehow "migrated" to my farm, still discing. Saw one with some welds sell earlier this year at auction, $650. Look to see if the main frames(round steel that hold the gangs) are bent, a little shouldn"t hurt...much. 32 hp will be working it, the MF 245 diesel has no problem but it makes the nose light, they are heavy. The "bearings" mentioned earlier have been pricey, do a search here for "MF disc", and not always available. Another AGCO issue. Even with the heavy use we"ve yet to replace one, we keep the grease in them, 16 total fittings!

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MF Poor

12-22-2007 05:12:30




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 17:47:18  
As far HP required. Dad pulled a 7'-6" #25 with a Ferguson F-40 (32 pto hp, gas) for years. It pulled hard on hills, gave the Fergie all it wanted in plowed ground, but all in all made a good match.



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MF Poor

12-22-2007 05:08:07




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 17:47:18  
The MF #25 is quite simply, the best 3-point hitch mounted disc to ever hit the market. Ferguson/Massey Ferguson produced an earlier varient of that model, then the #25 for the better part of 40 years. I've got a 7'-6" version and had an 8'-9" model for a while. They use proper design, good balance, and just enough built in weight to make them perform to standards that no other mounted disc can match.

As for Hugh's assumtions, as usual, he's got his head stuck up his arse and has not the very first clue what he THINKS he knows about me. But then, who's suprised about that?

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ET

12-22-2007 04:23:44




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 17:47:18  
We had one of those back home. It came with the new MF65. It did a good job and was great for tight areas like gardens. I remember getting to close to some wet areas with it and even though the 3pt hitch was all the way up, the disk was still in the ground. The down fall of it was the front main frame broke where the bracket for the lower lift link was welded on.



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Hugh MacKay

12-21-2007 18:09:09




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 17:47:18  
BC: MF-25, one of the most effective 3 point hitch disks ever built. It can make your 32 hp tractor sweat. MF didn't get a lot of things right, but that little disk and the 35-135 tractor were two of the items they got right on.

Now MF Poor is another catergory, he must have been buying those 100+ hp MF tractors of the 1980s. All the guys the farmed with 35-135 were MF Rich.



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John -CNY

12-22-2007 16:48:57




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-21-2007 18:09:09  
I have a 1984 MF 3545 that is over 100hp. Why don't you clue me in on one of these? I would really like to know all the problems it's suppose to have.



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BC in TN

12-21-2007 18:21:29




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-21-2007 18:09:09  
Okay Hugh - tell me what you think about a Ford "flex" disc and how you'd compare it to the MF.



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Hugh MacKay

12-22-2007 02:28:59




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 Re: See what I mean by rich poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 18:21:29  
BC: George was well on his way to fame and fortune, then he got rid of those little MF tractors. He claims it's been down hill ever since. LOL

On another note about the Ford flex disk, I may be a poor one to ask. According to YT discussion Ford disks were built by Oliver. That being the case they very likely are a good disk. One has to remember, most of these companies did not always sell the same product line in Canada as in the US. The Ford disks I've seen here in Canada definitely where not made by Oliver, Cochshutt or White. I had two Cockshutt disks, same as Oliver, however mine were wheel controlled tandem disks.

Over the years I've seen several neighbors with those 3 point MF disks. Definitely best best light mounted disk I've ever seen. I was so impressed, I bought one two years ago and got rid of my IH light mounted disk. This MF-25 is the same disk as in your photo, 24 blades and 18" blades. It will go axle deep, first cut on just about any plowed ground, and doesn't need to be set anywhere near the sharpest angle. It's really too much load for my Farmall 130 or 140, both pulling and lifting. I have thought of taking one blade off each gang turning it into 20 blade disk, however in doing that, I'm not sure I'd be able to pull it set at the sharpest angle. I think the 4 blades, spacers and extra arbor, would help on my hydraulics, from a lifting point of view. I guess I'll just have to buy a MF-35 tractor, and unlike George, increase my riches.

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georgeky

12-22-2007 10:25:32




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 Re: See what I mean by rich poor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-22-2007 02:28:59  
Everyone is entitled to a mistake I guess. I would have gone plum broke had I kept some of those MF's I had. The 285's went through head gaskets like no tomorrow, the 165 wouldn't pull as much as my 135 did, the 2675 I bought brand new, and it was in the shop for 6 months the first year and 2 months the second year. Traded it to 4440 JD in 83. Now that was a good tractor. But once custom silage cutting played out I sold it. Get better service out of these old Farmalls than anything. Still broke though.

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Hugh MacKay

12-21-2007 18:40:32




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to BC in TN, 12-21-2007 18:21:29  
BC: I guess I should have been a bit more decisive. Lets call the MF-25 the very best mounted disk of all time, in the under 32 blade class and with 18" blades. No one holds a candle to them in that size and class of disk.

I may have been a bit hasty calling the disk in your photo a model 25. The model 25 has steel bushing type bearings. There it a later model number, same disk except sealed ball or roller bearings. One works as well as the other.

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mark

12-21-2007 21:25:15




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-21-2007 18:40:32  
Please allow me to second what master MacKay has said in reference to the MF mounted disk.

I had one and lament letting it go. Absolutely par excellance! It was the only MF anything I ever owned as I always said MF stood for something besides Massey Ferguson!

Use one of these little Fergie disks and you'll throw rocks at all others...and I'm a fan of green paint.....and Persian orange paint and IH red paint.

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georgeky

12-21-2007 22:10:37




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to mark, 12-21-2007 21:25:15  
Hugh is also right about the 35/135 MF tactors. They are as good as any made. I have had one of each, and regret letting them go. Still have a HF TO30, but it ain't the same.



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Hugh MacKay

12-22-2007 02:31:04




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 Re: Hugh MF Poor in reply to georgeky, 12-21-2007 22:10:37  
George: Read my latest responce to BC, that was too good to pass on.



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