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newbie haymaker

12-20-2007 16:52:30




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Would like to here from you guys on this topic. I am going to upgrade from my sickle bar to something else. Thanks for all the Knowledge shared on this forum. I baled 60 rolls this year. I have about 70 -80 acres to work next year. I have a 60 hp 4wd and 605f.




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paul H.

01-22-2008 07:45:25




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
As a retiree...I have planted 31 acres of hay. The first year we rolled 206 (1000lb) round rolls. Next year plan to move to sq bales for horse folks. Need to buy a cutter...see haybines/conditioners at various auctions..most ole....have looked at Fella M270 ($4,000) and NH 617 ($6,000)...with economy, would like buy cheapest..time not a major factor for retirees..do I look for a working haybine/conditioner and put more money in baler

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IA Tim

12-30-2007 15:46:55




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
I only have 12 acres of alfalfa and I'm buying a new JD 275 Disk Mower. Used an old oliver sickle mower in the past and when the hay gets thick and rank they are the biggest pain in the, well, you know. As for moco, depends on where and what the crop is. Crushe alfalfa weavil and other insects are toxic to horses and other livestock so you have to be careful about conditioning. After last year I'll never mess with a sickle mower in alfalfa again

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NEIADan

12-24-2007 11:08:00




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Faced the same question as you a couple years ago. We were cutting about 160 acres a year and thought I wanted a discbine. After letting my worn out 469 New Holland go I was stuck with the worst choice I could have ever made. A 5209 New Idea disc moco, after a couple thousand in repairs I realized my old New Holland was way cheaper to keep running. Had 3 major issues, first being that I rent the majority of my current 160 acres of hay, thus you are never certain what te last guy left in the field and then there are those pesky rocks. Our second issue was that after cutting side by side with the haybind versus the disc mower we found that we were losing almost 15% of our crop by weight where we used the discbine. This was then compounded by the 3 day stunted regrowth following the discbine. We mowed over 500 acres this pastyear with our Mac Don hydro swing sickle machine and spent less than 15 dollars on a couple guards and sections. I would definetely look for a good 489 New Holland, they have a good floating head and are super easy to work on. If you can find a MacDon you will be real satisfied but the price may be an issue. We just don't have many late model machines in the 9 foot size left in our area. with 60 horse tractor I woldn't want bigger

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j Heitkemper

12-24-2007 10:18:25




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
DO NOT GET A USED DISC BINE OR MOWER ! ,, DID THAT TWICE AND GOT TERRIBLY BURNED ,, CURRENTLY USING A 489 NH HAYBINE , at least when they break down,I can fix it without going to see my banker. Funny, because My 489 was wore out , In 03 bought a nice trade in used N I 5209 ,,Always seemed to develope vibration and hubs jumping time,, What a money PIT .. Techy GUYS wanted to spend big $ taking it apart after 3rd trip to shop ,,.. Sold it outrite at a $2500 loss and patched up the NH 489 ,, Still cutting 250 acres plus per year .. With a little tinkering , My Experience ! , Jim

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kossuth

12-24-2007 10:02:01




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Honestly, only doing 70 acres or so, I'd look for a solid haybine. Pretty much any haybine you can find out there your tractor can run where with a discbine you are limited to about a 8 ft unit and that's it. The discbines take quite a bit more HP to run. As others eluded to, you are gonna have a tough time finding a good used discbine also. I wouldn't buy a mowing machine that doesn't have a conditioner personally, the time savings as far a drying time is worth it. Another reason I tend to lean towards a haybine is that a being your tractor is only a 60 hp, I highly doubt you have a cab on it. YOU NEED TO HAVE A CAB IF YOU ARE USING A DISCBINE!!! I know others will flame and say they've done it ect ect, but discbines are known to throw things that they hit IE branches laying in the grass that you didn't see, rocks, and so on and so forth. Not worth the risk without a cab as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, they mow quite a bit faster, but just how fast do you really need to mow?

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johns48jdb

12-23-2007 05:41:43




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
guess i'll stir up a hornets nest with this post. i challenge anybody using a disk or sickle mower to put up hay that looks better and is put up faster than hay that run through a m/c. hay run through a m/c is just so much better in quality of food value because most hay cut before dinner one day can be bailed the next day. don't cut hay to short. hay thats left a little long holds the cut stems up off the ground and lets air circulate under it to help it dry. hay cut a little long grows back quicker to with out stressing the plant out.

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JTinNJ

12-23-2007 03:30:28




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Going as fast as you can sit in the seat is fine,but,can you justify the cost of a discbine.As stated before good used sickle bars are easey to find. Just how much is it worth to get done faster?If you are cutting 1000 acers maybe,but for 70-80 maybe not. The hay will not dry any faster because you can drive at 10 MPH vs 5 MPH.



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Cliff Neubauer

12-21-2007 15:38:56




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
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After running a disk mower and now a disk conditioner I'd hate to go back to a sickle machine but for the limited acres your talking about something like an IH 990 or 1190 conditioner would work just fine without spending very much money.

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ktheo1

12-21-2007 11:02:49




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
I would vote for a disc mower and a tedder .I have got along better with these 2 separate machines than I ever did with a moco.



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Our Farmer

12-21-2007 06:30:10




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Disc mowers are nice, and you can mow about as fast as you can stay in the tractor seat. Pricey, though, even used and might not be the best financial choice if you plan on paying for it out of your 80 acres of hay.



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DiyDave

12-21-2007 03:43:12




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Drum mower is the best I have used. I've cut hay with bush hog, sickle bar, sickle bar conditioner, and the drum mower will run circles around all of 'em. Give the Hay DR a shout on this forum. I've been using one of his for this past season, and only have used 6 blades in a very rocky field. I think the blades cost about a buck a piece. The mower was about $3k delivered, about 1/2 a disc mower!

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Don-Wi

12-21-2007 00:44:52




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
for that small amount, I'd stick with a sickel type moco. We've got a 14' Hesston 1014+2 hydroswing we picked up for $600, and then another $600 in parts and a couple days labor in the driveway and it was practically a new machine again.

Can't do that with a discbine.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Das Unimog

12-20-2007 19:05:21




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
I have both and the disc does a great job but it
takes a lot of power and fuel compared to a sickle
mower or conditioner. You should look into a drum
type mower as well. Suppose to cut similar to a
disc but much lower cost in both buying and in
operating.



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JM in Merit

12-20-2007 19:02:44




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Go with disc cutter if you can, unless you cutting something like hay grazer. I had a haybine and went to a disc cutter. What a diference with disc cutter, go must faster, do not have to worry about ant mounds. You can also cut closer to the ground than with a haybine.

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kyhayman

12-20-2007 18:39:30




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
My normal recommendation is get a disc mower. You just cant beat them. Id quit before I went back to anything with a sickle. With that said, for 60 rolls, why spend the money. There arent many good used disc mowers. When they are used, they are generally used up. Good used sickle mower conditioners are everywhere. I sold mine last spring for 1500. It was a good 474 NH haybine, well used, but for 60 rolls it would last forever with a minimum of expense. I would suggest going with a name brand, and look for the amount of use it has had. Something worn out completely is still junk, regardless of the brand.

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backwoodsfarm

12-20-2007 18:30:54




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
I agree with John that a disc mower is much better than a sickle mower..... .... however, they are more expensive. I have a NH 474 Haybine that I keep in top shape with good guards and knife section. I can mow in the thickest, heaviest hay at 5mph all day long providing that the hay is dry. Most fields I cut are to bumpy to drive much faster than that so the Haybine works great. I guess it would depend on your budget.

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John e.c.MI

12-20-2007 17:37:08




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 Re: hay bine or disc cutter in reply to newbie haymaker, 12-20-2007 16:52:30  
Get the disc mower if you can swing it. A disc mower will run circles around a sickle machine. I have run brand new sickle bar haybines in hay I had to crawl through. With the discbine I can cut as fast as I can stay in the seat.



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