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Jason Hunt

12-10-2007 08:39:24




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I"m going to start baling hay next year on my family"s farm. I have mowed this field for the past several years with a bush hog type of rotary mower. Is it possible to cut hay with that type of mower, or will it pulverize the grass into particles too small to bale? If I can use that mower, are there any tricks to cutting it for hay baling?




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E.B. Haymakin'

12-12-2007 20:52:36




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
Read Clefus"s post, it can be done, but the bush hog has to be able to clear what it cut. It has to have sharp blades. I started with a bush hog cutter, and had trouble with drying the wind rows. The matted/wadded up grass flung out the back of the mower made me construction grass only, and potential fire hazard. At the time I did not have a tedder, and in the spring I couldn"t get the gulf annual ryegrass to dry down. I have since bought a haybine moco, sickle mower, and tedder. I would seriously look for a used sickle as others suggest. Good luck.

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Tx Jim

12-12-2007 04:05:22




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Hobo,NC, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
John can you provide any documetation on your statement"hay looses 80% of its feed value if left on ground a day too long"? I find that very hard to believe. Where I live it is very rare to cut one day and bale the next because of humidity. Tx Jim



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johns48jdb

12-12-2007 04:48:26




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Tx Jim, 12-12-2007 04:05:22  
i have been kicked around before for this statement. i always cut hay with a mower/condition, old ih 990's, and the only hay i couldn't put up the next day was sudax. i had a county extension service guy stop and talk to me one day when i was bailing some hay that had turned more yellow than green. thats when he told me about the food value thing. i can't do any better than that. sorry. if you just stop and think and look at the color of hay thats yellow compared to that that is still pretty and green i think you could see that something is wrong with that picture. not trying to be a smart ---. i don't know if you could have that tested some way or not. you guys have a good christmas

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johns48jdb

12-11-2007 19:52:46




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
i've been jumped on before for saying this, but hay left laying in the field a day longer than it should losses 80% of its food value. not something i dreamed up but was told by a county extension service guy. the only way to put up hay is to mow it with a mower/conditioner before dinner one day and then rake it and bale it the next day if the temperture is above 80 - 85 degrees. people put hay up for years with out a tedder. alot of this does depend on the type of hay, how thick it is, humidity, sunshine hours on it etc. most people cut their hay to short. cutting hay about 3 inches high is ideal in my opinion. hay this long allows cut hay to stay up off of the ground and air to circulate under neath it. if your field is real rough where you can't use much ground speed to bale it ease at, rake several windrows together, minimum of 3, and that will allow you to bale the hay quicker by cutting down the amount of time you need just to do the bailing. another must have for haying is to have enough trailers to put all the hay on without having to unload it that day. sheds, carports, old barns are also nice to have to park the trailers in. putting all your hay up this way allows you the priviledge to pick your time to unload it. if you lose 200 or 300 bales of hay a few times then the trailers would have paid for themselves. don't use metal covered beds to leave hay stacked on more than 24 hours. ok i'll quit now.

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Iowa Jim

12-11-2007 05:15:58




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to jhill52, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
If you want to make hay then use equipment designed for making hay, if you want to make junk and pass it off as hay then use the bush hog.

Jim



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RayP(MI)

12-10-2007 17:48:32




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
My experience is that you"ll loose about half the hay, some that gets chopped fine enough to fall in the existing crop and not easily picked up with a rake, the rest lost because the hog just malls it down, and doesn"t do a good job of cutting. Bales made from this stuff are soft and loose. Not been a good idea in my experience.



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tim[in]

12-10-2007 14:59:47




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
a bushog with a hay attatchment was marketed in the early 70s-80s and never caught on. most guys wouldnt use the correct hp and speed to cut it without chopping it up.kind of like using a n.i. cutditioner without enough speed and hp. still made great hay tho.



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parisspringstom

12-10-2007 14:42:37




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
I have used a 5 foot brushog to mow hay fields that had not had hay taken off them for some while and were so tangled up you could not get a sickle mower thru them. At least then you can rake them thru and bale what it brings up. Then you can sickle mow them next time after cleaning them up in this manner. Actually the bales did not come out that bad when i have done this.



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Rick Kr

12-10-2007 11:11:54




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
Use to be a guy over on the Ford board that all his hay he cut with a brush hog. He did modify the discharge some how. You may try posting over there. Want to say his handle was something like to "steveandcarol". But haven't seen a posting from him in quite a while.

Rick



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Tom in TN

12-10-2007 09:58:26




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
Jason,

I agree with the other guys. The brush cutter style mower pulverizes the grass and makes a really loose, flaky, nasty bale when it's baled. You really need a hay mower. Since I don't know what kind of tractor you are using, it's probably a moot point, but I have a three-point mounted Ford 501 sickle bar mower that works very well. They are cheap to buy and easy to maintain. A used implement lot near me has a couple of them for sale for $200 - $300 dollars. They are rusty and not very pretty, but a couple of hours of clean up work should put them back into service.

Also, depending on the weather in your area, you might want to spring for a tedder. If you consistently have hot, four day periods of time where you can mow on day one, let the hay dry on days two and three, and bale on day four, you can probably get by without a tedder. But if you need to cut off a day of drying time, or if your hay has been rained on and you want to fluff it up off the wet ground, a tedder is really valuable. I bought a used Tonutti two reel tedder a couple of years ago for $750.00. It has been really helpful to me.

Of course, it goes without saying that you'll also need a baler and some kind of wagon to use to haul the bales.

Good luck with your hay.

Tom in TN

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old

12-10-2007 09:38:13




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
Can be done but it doesn't work very well and the bales will not be very good either. You need a sickle mower or MOCO of some type to do it. As I said it can be done but its pretty much a waste of time and money to do it that way. Watch around and you can find a working sickle mower for less then $500 and a good MOCO for around $1500-3000. Also depends on the tractors you have as to what will work best for you. When I do hay I use 4 or 5 tractors some times more depending on how I'm doing it

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IBorange in TX

12-10-2007 09:26:51




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to Jason Hunt, 12-10-2007 08:39:24  
The thing about using that type of mower to cut hay is that you loose a lot of hay due to being cut into fine particles. You can alter the rear discharge area which will allow the cuttings to be layed out into a row like windrow. The other thing to consider is the type of crop you are cutting. Small grasses will tend to loose a lot, more than a cane type crop like Sudan or Johnson grass while they will be just chopped up.
I would say if you altered the discharged area, yes you could use the bush hog. BTDT
Good luck...

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randallinMo

12-10-2007 09:41:10




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to IBorange in TX, 12-10-2007 09:26:51  
Back in the years before the "hay tedders" arrived, I would use a small 6ft. brush hog to scatter out windrows that had been rained on. I removed the side bottom panel and it blew the crop out into a nice uniform spread which allowed the hay to dry quickly. I used it mainly on orchardgrass. I never had any problem with it cutting the particles too small. It baled nicely thereafter. I never tried using a brush hog for the initial mowing, but I think it could be done. You'll want to sharpen the blades.

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Clefus

12-10-2007 17:48:18




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 Re: cutting hay in reply to randallinMo, 12-10-2007 09:41:10  
I have cut hay with a Woods brush hog....you can unbolt the side panel so it discharges out the side and doesnt finely chop it... also make sure the blades are sharp....and I set it for a fairly low cut..

Not as clean as cut as a sickle but it works in a pinch ....



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