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TomTex

12-02-2007 20:05:44




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I thought Texans told all the tall tales. But, your 100 tons in a day is quite a story. That would be 3077 bales at 65 lbs per bale. Figuring a 12 hour day of baling would be 256 bales per hour or 4.3 bales per minute, or a bale every 14 seconds for 12 hours straight. And not even allowing for stopping a single minute. Now that is baling a lot of hay with a small square baler and a 35 HP tractor. Tom

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Hugh MacKay

12-03-2007 05:16:09




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to TomTex, 12-02-2007 20:05:44  
Tom: Most of those 1960s balers were rated 12 to 15 ton per hour, and some of those New Hollands would hit 20 ton quite easily. Baling hay has never been about horsepower, always had more to do with manpower, and with smart manpower I've seen guys switch wagons in under 1 minute. You find large enough windrows raked in such a way the baler is never out of hay, they will do it. I've watched my NH S-69 many times tieing 4 to 6 times per minute.

You'll also have time to enjoy a cool one around 9 pm.

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Tx Jim

12-04-2007 04:48:10




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-03-2007 05:16:09  
Hugh I have to agree with Tom, when you get started on you TALL TALES about tons/hr square baling your story gets better and better. I've baled hay with a NH 575 and It won't even get close to your story. BTW I own a H&S hi-capacity rake that in one pass can rake a windrow that no small baler could handle even here in Texas.Tx Jim



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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 08:29:01




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to Tx Jim, 12-04-2007 04:48:10  
Jim: Get your head out of the sand. Here are some advertized production figures from IH 1968 and 1983 buyers guides. IH model 27 - 14 tons per hour, IH model 37 - 17 tons per hour, IH model 47 - 19 tons per hour, IH model 57 - 20 tons per hour, IH model 428 -15 tons per hour, IH model 435 - 17 tons per hour and IH 445 - 19 tons per hour. I don't have the figures right in front of me for New Holland, however if I feel so inclined I may just go and get them.

I know New Holland stats will be very similar with figures from 15 to 20 tons. I remember when we bought the NH S-69 new, it very easily exceeded what was advertised in the literature. We bought New Holland balers in those days because they tied better, baled faster with less hp, just generally a better all around baler. I've seen my S-69 go through 30,000 bale seasons and never miss tie a single bale. Another thing you got to remember, we were baling for 7-8 months stored feeding up in this cold country, and production damn well had to go right. Also remember we baled most of that hay in 70F to 80F degree weather, heat was not a factor on labor or equipment. That hay grew fast but it also went down hill fast once it reached bloom stage. If one wanted money making hay for dairy cows, it all had to be harvested in a week. I played the game on flat land, with quite large fields. We quite often harvested 15% moisture 4-5 ton first cut yields of alfalfa and timothy. Did you ever stop to think what it's like to bale 9' swaths that are large enough to keep most balers at at 2.5 mph. You don't go far for a load of hay, and at the end of the day our tractors have travelled a lot less miles than yours for the same amount of hay. Yes, I often baled windrows wide as an S-69 pickup, and high enough they were rubbing under pickup cross bar on top, yet the windrows were only 9' apart.

Now, if you guys don't wish to produce any faster than you do, that is your porogative. I know continental hay holds it's quality over time much better than north eastern hay. I know you have a heat factor to deal with a good part of the season. I came to YT mainly to find out how things are done in different geographic locations across North America. What I notice is a good many of you folks come here with your head in the sand and unwilling to believe it may be different 500 miles from home. I find that hard to believe especially with older Americans that went through compulsary draft, you guys saw the world. I can remember living just 50 miles outside Halifax, that place was always lousey with American sailors in the 40s, 50s, 60s even into the 70s. And those same farm boy sailors did take time to get out in the country. I sure hope you didn't travel the world blind folded.

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Tx Jim

12-05-2007 04:42:54




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2007 08:29:01  
Hugh so you're saying if a manufacturer puts something in print it's FACT. Automobile manufactures state their products will get 25 mpg so they automatically will,yea right. How come no one else jumps on your soapbox and testifies to baling 20 tons/hr? I've been around all makes of hay equipment since the early 60's and I'm positive I know how to run them. Have another nice dream!!!!! !!



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Hugh MacKay

12-05-2007 06:19:08




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to Tx Jim, 12-05-2007 04:42:54  
Jim: From your post I can see I've been around farm equipment longer than you. By 1975 I had laid out over a 1/2 million dollars lifetime on new or near new equipment, and that is a lot of equipment at pre 1975 prices. I only ever saw three machines that wouldn't measure up to manufacturers ratings, those being an IH 45 baler, a NH 45x mower and a Farmall 504 gasser.

Having said that, if you find yourself not capable of working smart enough to make these machines perform to rated capabilities, keep it too yourself. Don't burdon me with your problem.

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Tx Jim

12-05-2007 12:36:37




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-05-2007 06:19:08  
Hugh,first off I'm not burdening you with any problem. You've burdened your self. Who can you pay to get on your SOAPBOX with you????? ?. I could care less how much equipment you've purchased,must mean you tore up alot. You saying you've been around farm equipment longer than me doesn't mean squat cause you don't have a clue. Tx Jim



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RodInNS

12-03-2007 05:05:33




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to TomTex, 12-02-2007 20:05:44  
That's a lot of hay in one day for sure, but I wouldn't rule out that it could be done. We've got a Ford 532 baler here that in it's day would hammer out 400 bales per hour. Those were 40-50 pound bales, but that's still about 8 ton per hour by my arithmetic. That would work out to a 12.5 hour day if it held that average rate. 14-15 hours would probably bale that tonnage realistically. If a guy had the perfect storm of conditions, that could be done... It's not something I would plan on doing, but it could be done.

Rod

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Hugh MacKay

12-03-2007 08:37:00




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to RodInNS, 12-03-2007 05:05:33  
Rod: What a lot of these continental guys don't realize, is the Maritime yield in that first cutting at bloom stage. Even here in Ontario, they can't comprehend a single 9' haybine windrow driving a baler down to 2.5 mph., spitting out 4 to 6 bales per minute. It doesn't require a whole lot of travel for a wagon load. I had to put 16.9x38 tires on my 560 and 656 just to straddle those 9' windrows with a round baler.

Just prooves everything aint the biggest in Texas.

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RodInNS

12-04-2007 07:10:15




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 Re: Hey Hugh in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-03-2007 08:37:00  
Yes... most people don't comprehend the yeild we get here. I'll never forget listening to one of my profs at the AC (who was a Menonite from Ontario) talking about how we have one of the most productive forage growing climates in the world here in the maritimes. We have nearly the perfect storm of conditions to grow huge crops of very high quality forage. The only problem we have is getting the weather to take them off....

That said... you're on your own with the 20 ton per hour from those old balers. I've done the 8-10 ton per hour from our old thing and I know it's not far from it's limit doing that... and that's with a 85 hp in front, dropping the bales on the field and constant shifts and gear splits to force it 'just hard enough'. The NH would need to have a lot more feeding system to make more bales....
20 tonne per hour is pretty easy from my Claas 44S if the right person does the raking and I'm in the mood to make bales, but if a twit has done the raking or I'm daydreaming (or in a bad mood), it ain't gonna happen.
100 ton on a idiot block maker is a big day I think... but we've come very close to that here once or twice.

Rod

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