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TomA

11-05-2007 01:01:24

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I hava a 4-14" IHC trailer plow that I have not used for 10 years or so. I am in a coastal climate so the moldboards are rusty. The soil here has no sand in it so I doesn't shine up the plow any. I plowed almost 7 or 8 acres of nearly dry soil with it and it still does not scour. Dirt just cakes on it 3 or 4 inches thick and I have to scrape it off. I have shined the moldboards with a disc sander before but it is a big job.

I am wondering in this day and age if there is a coating that can be applied to a plow to make it scour.

Tom

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tim[in]

11-07-2007 09:04:47

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

Yes everybodys soil is different even from farm to farm.I was told to try to plow deep since the old guys didnt so they could pull more bottoms . Lots of different opinions on plowing or whether one should or not.I personally use spray paint on my plow bottoms. livestock rubbing against it wont wear it off like grease.Some believe by mixing the subsoil with the topsoil you can incorporate lots of humus and fertiliser and more or less create more topsoil. The topsoil in some places is depleted of fertillity and life and the subsoil is what they are farming. Of course those of us who have dealt with clay have trouble believing that but clay isnt the only type of subsoil.

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richardinnz

11-07-2007 02:36:00

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

Clean the boards as best you can with a wire brush/sander.
Plough as fast as you can without making a mess or causing damage to the plough.
If in grass, raise the discs as much as possible, if in stubble it may be possible to dispense with them alltogether, this puts more pressure on the boards.
Scrape the boards clean at the end of every run to get soil movement over the boards.

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Gerald in TN

11-06-2007 15:54:05

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

After finishing plowing, I coat my moldboards with a thin coat of grease. It sits outside all winter and rubs off the first few feet I plow in the spring. The grease stays on better than oil and I always have grease around.

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El Toro

11-06-2007 04:33:27

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

When I finish with my plow I coat it with used engine oil and I keep it sheltered too. I've had the plow 47 years. It was on a 1936 Viking garden tractor when I bought it in 1960. Hal

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LenND

11-05-2007 14:42:43

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

Once I get mine done for the year I paint it with a coat of stuff I get at TSC. The next year all you have to do is hook up to it and go. Once in a while it will get washed off by rain but normally I don't touch it. It comes in a gallon can so it lasts along time with one plow.

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Lee in Iowa

11-05-2007 06:21:41

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

Wire brush them a little bit and paint them with Slip Plate graphite paint. The paint will scour pretty good and and usually as the paint wears off they will shine up. This has worked with 4 different plows (neighbor's and plows I bought rusty) in the soil we have here. Lee

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Chas. Ont.

11-05-2007 05:31:08

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

Clean the plow with soap and water. let dry. Paint with a high gloss paint. Let dry. Spray with armour-all. Repeat if necessary.The plough will scour and by the end of a day ploughing should be shining. Paint the mould boards before storage.
Chas.Ont

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Spritzer

11-05-2007 03:51:26

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

My dad was never one for maintenance, so it became my job, as a kid, every spring to scour the moldboards with a soft brick. Maybe you could get your kids/gr.kids to do that with proper coaxing- - -

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Dick L

11-05-2007 03:46:28

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

If I was having that type of problem it would take about two seconds to head to the shop and grab the angle grinder. Like Allen said, get the plow in the ground if you have not been plowing 10 inches deep already. When I was learning to plow back in the 1950's if I was not plowing over 10 inches deep when Dad came to check on me I would receive strong instructions on what I was sent to the field to do, and how to set up a plow.

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Leroy

11-05-2007 04:55:17

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Dick L, 11-05-2007 03:46:28

First off I cannot ever imaging any body ever plowing 10" deep, that would be the death of the ground here with 6-7" of top soil, you do not want to tear up and mix in that yellow clay that is under the top soil. When you get that in it turns the ground to brick, that is what a lot of fields have had it dug out of to make the bricks to build the house with. And to plow at that depth you would need a 20" bottom, not a 14", that 14" is only designed to plow 7" deep with unless you have a special deep tillage bottom and those are rare. And those in a 14" are good for about 8.5" deep, had those on a MF plow and they did not ever work right. Now to shine it up just use an angle grinder with a twisted wire type of wire wheel on it, the twisted type are more agreasive than the others. About 2-3 minuts per bottom should have it in good shape. Pits will not be removed but paint the bottom with any cheap spray can paint and that will wear right off except in the pits and will help to smooth out the moldboard to help with the shinning

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georgeky

11-05-2007 21:43:37

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Leroy, 11-05-2007 04:55:17

14 inch plow will plow 10 or 11 inches deep with no problems at all. 16 will go over 12.

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Dick L

11-05-2007 14:50:20

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Being Civil in reply to Leroy, 11-05-2007 04:55:17

Being civil, When we get two inches of rain the ground that has been plowed 10 inches deep or deeper will hold more water before you get run off that the ground that has been plowed 6 inches. The deeper plowed ground will have less washouts on hills than that that was only plower 6 inches deep.

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Dick L

11-05-2007 14:43:25

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Leroy, 11-05-2007 04:55:17

I have never had a problem of plowing 10 inches and deeper with a 14 inch 2 or 3 bottom plow in my 50 years of plowing. I guess I was just never smart enough to know it couldn't be done. Works with my 4 bottom 16 inch plow just as well also.

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Allan In NE

11-05-2007 05:48:30

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Leroy, 11-05-2007 04:55:17

Whoever started that old wive's tale anyway?

6-7 inches of topsoil should be a pasture where I come from.

Allan

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Jimmy King

11-05-2007 09:13:56

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Allan In NE, 11-05-2007 05:48:30

Allan you should get out more not all land in the world is like yours.

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Allan In NE

11-05-2007 10:02:57

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Jimmy King, 11-05-2007 09:13:56

I'm fully aware of that Jimmy.

However, all crops take topsoil to thrive. Can't think of anything other than cerial grains that don't have root systems that go deeper than 6".

What the heck is the use of farming a gravel pile or clay pit? Wouldn't it be better to graze it and save what topsoil is there in the first place?

Guess I just don't understand it. :>(

Allan

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Jimmy King

11-05-2007 10:32:57

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Allan In NE, 11-05-2007 10:02:57

I have lived here in the rocky ozarks for almost 66 years we have grown corn, oats, barley, wheat, and a lot of alfalfa may not as good of yelds as other places, but some times you just have to do with what you have.

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Billy NY

11-05-2007 08:58:55

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Allan In NE, 11-05-2007 05:48:30

Allan, what are this type of plow used for, (the extra 3 bottoms on top), I don't think I've ever seen that type in these parts, but since seeing yours and others here, am really curious as to what they're used for.

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David Snipes

11-06-2007 13:02:31

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Billy NY, 11-05-2007 08:58:55

The upper plows are for plowing in the southern hemisphere; you know, Down Under.

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poogie

11-07-2007 02:59:00

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to David Snipes, 11-06-2007 13:02:31

Sounds right. I just thought the top was for top soil and the bottom was for sub soil

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Allan In NE

11-05-2007 09:57:18

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Billy NY, 11-05-2007 08:58:55

They are called two way plows. Used mostly in irrigated regions.

Plow flips over to make the return trip right back in the same furrow ya just pulled out of.

Allan

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Billy NY

11-05-2007 11:52:58

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Allan In NE, 11-05-2007 09:57:18

2 way, so instead of starting in the middle and working your way out on both sides, it gives you the option heading back down the same side, flopping the soil over as if you had been running the same way as the previous pass,one of those would be real handy for narrow strips we plant for the deer.

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georgeky

11-05-2007 21:49:40

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Billy NY, 11-05-2007 11:52:58

They were made from hillside plow designs. For plowing and throwing all soil up the hill. You run the same furrow and it also cuts down on driving time by not crossing the end of field every time. When throwing soil uphill with a regular plow you must go back to start of furrow each time. With the two way you just turn around and head back.

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Allan In NE

11-05-2007 02:43:35

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

I dunno,

I try to keep my yap shut on these "plow" topics anymore 'cause they tend to just frustrate me. :>)

However, the biggest thing I see people doing wrong is that they don't put the plow in the ground deep enough and they don't use a big enough tractor to get the speed right.

Get 'er down where's she's diggin' between 8 and 10 inches deep at 4.5 mph and it's gotta scour, unless of course, you're tryin' to plow mud.

The worse shape the plow, the longer it will take. Clean it at every end.

Also, soaking the bottoms overnight with diesel fuel will help. Just paint it on with a paintbrush.

Just my opinion,

Allan

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steveormary

11-05-2007 13:35:46

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Allan In NE, 11-05-2007 02:43:35

Right on Allan, 8-10 inches deep at 4.5mph. 4-16's semimount on the fast hitch of the 706 german. Made a decent load for it.

steveormary

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Hugh MacKay

11-05-2007 02:12:04

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 01:01:24

Tom: If you have access to a sand of gravel bar drag the plow through that. It saves a lot of hand sanding. I find moldboards aren't shaped well for either hand or machine sanding.

Once I get them clean, the product I like is spray on graphite. Next year when you start plowing the graphite scours well and as it wears off you have the fruits of your sanding labour under the graphite.

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TomA

11-05-2007 14:19:23

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-05-2007 02:12:04

Thanks for all the help guys.

Clay is what it is here. THe deeper you go the more pure clay it is.

I have a plow up at our other place in the foothills, up there the soil is decomposed granite. No matter how rusty the plow is it will shine up in about 100 feet. I wish I had some of that here.

Tom

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Hugh MacKay

11-05-2007 14:48:25

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Re: Plow wont scour in reply to TomA, 11-05-2007 14:19:23

Tom: Well, you raised quite an argument, hadn't been watching thus didn't realize where it went.

I think you best pay little attention to the argument anyhow, load up tractor and plow, head for a day in the decomposed granite, get her shined up then paint the wear parts with graphite.

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