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tom in VA

11-02-2007 18:08:35




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I have a 6' King Kutter grooming mower that I think is rough on belts. I have had it 5 years and have put the fifth belt on it. Is this normal? I check the tension about every 8 hours of use. I've tried different brands of belts and the Gates lasted the longest.

The counter guy at the local bearing and belt supplier says grooming mowers go through belts faster than most machines. He says he has a lot of customers buying belts for them.

I still think it should last longer than these ( about 100 hours of use per year). I'm just cutting lawns with it, no rough stuff. I use the bush hog for the field work

How many hours do you get on a mower belt? Is there something wrong with this mower? Any suggestion?

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Wilsonfire

11-05-2007 14:00:13




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-02-2007 18:08:35  
Sounds like something is slighly out of alignment on the pulleys or tensioner. The Kevlar belts do last longer and are worth the money. The are practically burn proof even if you have a lock up. I love them on my riding lawn mowers. As for the tubes put in new ones and Slime them. This stuff is GREAT! Makes old tires and tubes last forever.



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david from mo

11-03-2007 08:08:03




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-02-2007 18:08:35  
I have the same mower and keep a gates belt on hand . I burn belts off with too much horsepower (52) in to tall of grass. I've had my mower 5 years replaced two bearing in the spindle,keep a spare yoke? for the caster wheels and new blades each season have the same tires and same air in them. well pleased for the abuse i give it, mowing 5 miles of road bank. david



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Dave H (MI)

11-03-2007 07:51:00




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-02-2007 18:08:35  
I have a Ford finish mower that I bought new with my 1520 back in 1989. I think the model is 930A but can't tell you for sure without going out there. Just put the first new belt on it this year because one broke. That is 18 years more or less???



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johns48jdb

11-03-2007 04:53:45




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-02-2007 18:08:35  
actually it depends a lot on the type of grass your cutting. if the grass is thin and full of lumpy grass like fescue that will give you headackes no matter what kind of mower you run. the blades are spinning and the all of a sudden they hit a clump of grass and that tries to stop the blades, thus stretching and shocking the belt. if the belt is stretching and breaking i would expect this to be the cuse. if not other suggestion is right on. i also only engage and disengage the blades when the motor is at idle. when disengaging the blade give it time to slow down to, not just the tractor engine.

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Dal in MO

11-02-2007 19:29:44




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-02-2007 18:08:35  
[Tom. I also have a king kutter 72 inch grooming mower. I only use gates kevlar belts and they last for about 5 - 6 years. I mow about 4 acres a week with the mower behind a ford jubilee or a 60 john deere and I don't baby it at all. The only problem I have is the tubes in the small tires will not hold up much over a year. I haven't had to replace any bearings or parts on the mower for the 12 years that i have had it. It's been one heck of a good mower.

Dal

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mark

11-02-2007 18:46:15




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-02-2007 18:08:35  
Your belt dealer is crying all the way to the bank!

I have a Caroni finish mower I just parked last year, after 20+ seasons of mowing 2+ acres a week. I replaced the deck once, one spindle and 2 bearings. I also bought ONE set of replacement belts. That's right, 1 set and the replacements are still on it and in great shape. Gates makes...or did...excellent belts. You've got something mechanical killing those belts. Either pulley alignment or you are tightening them too much....or both. Not enough tension will kill them too. Heat from friction breaks them down. make sure your pulleys are aligned....all the proper highth to one another and that there is the proper amount of tension applied. Are your spindle bearings good? Can you freely turn each spindle by hand...and the spindle spins with a flick of the wrist? If you have bad bearings and the spindles are dragging and/or the spindle shafts are wobbling, this will destroy the belts.

I would start by cleaning all the debris from the deck, remove the belt guards and measure the highth of the pulleys....if all are level within 1/16", I'd say that is fine. They should actually be the same...but 1/16" isn't much. Take the belts off. Rotate each spindle by hand, feeling for roughness. They should spin smooth as glass. See if you get any side play in the spindle shafts, there should be NONE. See if you can get any horizontal movement of the spindles..they shouldn't move up and down either. Next,check and see if the spindle assemblies are straight and not canted on the deck. This could happen if you struck something a hard blow.

If the spindles all check out OK, if you have an idler pulley or pulleys, make sure they run freely and apply proper tension if they use a spring like Woods brand mowers do. If you adjust tension by sliding the gear box, then make sure the belts show about 1/2" deflection at a point half way between the drive pulley and the outboard spindle pulley. Don't tighten them like banjo strings!

If you do this and still destroy belts....sell the damn thing and buy another unit.

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tom in VA

11-04-2007 04:25:28




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to mark, 11-02-2007 18:46:15  
Mark,

Looks like the tensioner pulley might be the cause of the problem. Checking with a gauge block it is out of alignment with the others. It rides on a plate that appears to be bent. All other suggestions check out okay. Thanks



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mark

11-04-2007 18:01:01




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 Re: finish mower belt questions in reply to tom in VA, 11-04-2007 04:25:28  
Tom,

I think you're on to something. There is really no magic in a belt. Kevlar makes them stronger, but even an old fashioned belt will run a long time, providing it runs true.

I had to replace an idler pulley on my Woods finish mower last summer because it had chipped a flange and cut a new belt in half within 30 minutes of run time. The idler pulley is a cheapass plastic POS. But, a new one from the dealer cost less than $20 and I was back in business. I garnered all the info I passed on to you from the Woods dealer....I checked everything out on my mower and all was well....that's how I found the broken flange on the idler. I think when you get yours all lined up...the problem will disappear.

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