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chain vs. belt roller?

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tn terry t

11-01-2007 20:11:01




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which do you perfer? i have only ran chain rollers before but im thinking about geting a newer and smaller roller i now have a 851 new holland this dang thing is just too big and i am having lots of trouble this year it just wont roll short hay bout ready to stick a match to it




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tn terry t

11-02-2007 16:47:27




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to tn terry t, 11-01-2007 20:11:01  
thanks guys i had a 848 roller but the tornado that cane thru here in 05 destroyed it for me that sure was a sweet roller. a old gentleman heard what happend to me called and offered his 851 to me he was gona give it to me cause he is nolonger able to use it i offered him a 1000 dollars he refused i then offered 500 he still refused would not take money period i talked him into letting me put a set of tires on his wifes car. just a good old man i tell ya the lod roller does ok on thick tall hay it just wont roll short hay

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kyhayman

11-04-2007 06:52:57




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to tn terry t, 11-02-2007 16:47:27  
You know, at that price, I believe I would become a chain baler convert again. Seriously, for inside stored hay I like the chain balers fine. Now the width on an 851 I dont care for but thats because I haul a lot of 'highway hay' and 5.5 feet wide doubled makes me too wide for my comfort level on the road.



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James Howell

11-02-2007 10:38:43




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to tn terry t, 11-01-2007 20:11:01  
I use a Krone 125 and Krone 260 �fixed� chamber balers.

They both have the chain rollers that �rotate� the hay within the �enclosed� chamber.

The �soft� core starts sooner and you can �adjust� for the bale density.

The �soft� core has an unusual pattern, which makes it is easy to reach into the bale and check the �temperature� and pull out a sample to �smell� check.

There is very little loss once the hay gets picked up. After finishing the baling, there wasn�t enough hay left on the ground to make � a square bale.

Tomorrow I will bale shorter grass, cut 8�-10�, and will get a better idea of how the �fixed� chamber balers handle core formation and wrapping.

Maintenance is very easy because I only needed two wrenches to make minor repairs/adjustments.

The Krone 125 requires a 32HP minimum and can be used behind my A�s.

The Krone 260 requires a 50HP minimum and is used with my 70 Diesel.

Hope this helps.

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RodInNS

11-01-2007 21:03:30




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to tn terry t, 11-01-2007 20:11:01  
Neither. My preference is Claas Rollant's.... They run 100% steel rollers. I've run the NH chainers in a jamb. Never run anything with belts, but I don't see a compelling reason for what I do either.
The Claas is more or less a fixed chamber baler. The newer models have the top rollers mounted on a spring loaded hinge that allows them to start a core sooner, but it's still a soft core. The bales will squat some. They are softer in the center and probably harder on the outside. I'd have to see a load of my bales on a scale compared to bales from a belt baler to believe there's any statistical difference in overall density. I don't think there's much...
The Claas will bale anything, and bale it fast. It wants power, but it puts out bales... The downside is that it costs more, but if you buy a Caddy, you expect to pay more than if you buy a Cavalier...

Rod

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kyhayman

11-01-2007 20:53:24




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to tn terry t, 11-01-2007 20:11:01  
I used chain balers since the late 70's until the mid 90s. Completely wore out an 846 and an 847 plus worked hard on wearing out an 851 (harder to do, a lot better baler). In my obserations the chain balers easily baled crops in all conditions. Wet, damp, dry, etc and took little skill to adapt. Few breakdowns but they were major when they happened. I was never satisfied with the bale quality. Within days the bales squatted (never had a problem with runaways with a chain baler) They also were softer. While they hauled they never hauled as well as I found the bales out of a belt baler to do. Belt balers (my experience is limited to NH and the later model JD's). Super tight package, I run high pressure (all hydrualic) where when a cow goes to eat she has to bite the hay off, not pull it out. Bales stand up well, haul and stack nice. Quieter to operate. More down time than on the chain baler but I can relace a belt and be back running in a half hour where with a broken chain it was a half a day at least. All in all, Im glad I switched and wouldnt consider going back.

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Formerly PaMike

11-02-2007 09:31:40




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to kyhayman, 11-01-2007 20:53:24  
Hey kyhayman,
Remember a while back I was having trouble with my autowrap on the 650? You gave me some pointers since you have similar problems. Well, my problem was in the clutch. Everything inside was just gummed up. It could be part of your problem too. Might be worth a look, only took about an hour to fix mine...



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kyhayman

11-02-2007 15:32:54




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 Re: chain vs. belt roller? in reply to Formerly PaMike, 11-02-2007 09:31:40  
I'll check that for sure. Thanks.

Im still thinking I've got a bent return arm but thats a good idea to take it apart to check and see. My newer 650 has seen a lot of bales though it and it could definitely be gummed up in there. Esp since its the one I use for silage.



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