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Panel Box - John T.?

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Bill in NorthCe

10-29-2007 06:37:02




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All, I recently fed a remote panel box (barn) per specs from the electircal supply house. It is 100 Amp wire, 125 ft long, and they gave me 3 wire (#2) aluminum. Do I need to install a seperate ground rod for this box?

Thanks in advance.

Bill




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Bill in NorthCentral PA

10-29-2007 13:50:09




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 06:37:02  
Thanks to all. I will so as you say t-bone. I knew it was on here somewhere, just hadn't found it yet. Thanks again to everyone.

Bill



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LarryT

10-29-2007 13:27:21




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 06:37:02  
Not trying to seem like a smart A-s but have you checked what the code for your area requires? I had a friend that put in 3 sub panels and everything was ok until a tree limb knocked out th main service. The electric company was required to inspect the site and and it took him hiring an electrician and redoing the whole thing. It cost him $1500 to get all the electrical system up to code. It would have cost him about $250 for the electrician to have done it correctly and certified it. Just a word to the wise. LarryT

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Gerald J.

10-29-2007 07:55:28




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 06:37:02  
You need a fourth wire to run the ground from the main service. That local ground rod won't draw enough current from a short at 120 volts to trip a breaker, but the hot box WILL KILL you. I've investigated such deaths for the widows.

Gerald J.



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old

10-29-2007 07:37:33




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 06:37:02  
Its always a good idea to do that any place you install a box. Every building I have the has power to it has at least one ground rod and some have more. One building I have since ita made of steel has the ground hooked right to the steel frame of the building and some of the pipes go in the ground a good 3 or 4 foot

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Ken Crisman

10-29-2007 07:04:48




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 06:37:02  
Yes , it would be a beter idea if ya drove 2 rods about 6 ft apart for safety . Any sub panel has to have the bonding screww removed . God bless, Ken



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paul

10-29-2007 13:25:29




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Ken Crisman, 10-29-2007 07:04:48  
Ken, this box would be set up as a main box to a building not a subpanel. It will have it's own ground rod.

Wouldn't you want it bonded?

I thought you only took the screw out if you were running 4 wires to everyplace, and you had to keep the nuetral & ground wires totally seperate except in the main box.

When wireing seperate buildings without a common ground wire, each building has it's own main box, and would be bonded?

That's how I understood things, but I'm only simple dirt farmer, so more asking than anything. :)

--->Paul

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Ken Crisman

10-30-2007 06:15:52




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to paul, 10-29-2007 13:25:29  
Now I'm confused about what the original post was . I thought the guy was feeding from his main service panel at the house to another building .If he's having a completely new service panel with meter from power company ; than a bonding screw is needed . If it a panel fed from an existing main than no . Please tell me again what you are wanting to do . Checking with your power compnay may be best to save you confussion .God bless, Ken

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

10-29-2007 09:03:31




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Ken Crisman, 10-29-2007 07:04:48  
Thanks for the quick replies. I sincerely appreciate the help.


Can you describe this grounding screw? I'd sure like to not make a mistake with this, but I'm not sure what fastener you're talking about.

Thanks again,

Bill



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Ken Crisman

10-29-2007 11:41:26




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 09:03:31  
Ususally a bonding screw is a seperate item when you buy a neww panel . Its usually cadnium colored machine screw that goes thru the neutral ground bar in the panel into a threaded hole of the panels back side . Ask when you buy the panel for them to show you is the best way .I did this kind of work for 25 yrs as a living before disability hit me . Good luck & God bless, Ken



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T_Bone

10-29-2007 09:56:01




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 Re: Panel Box - John T.? in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 10-29-2007 09:03:31  
Hi Bill,

Before I made a decision on what to do, I would take a trip over too the Tool forum and read up on the past decussions on this very topic.

There was a extreamly good thread on this topic this year by the forum experts, Gerald J, John T, Buickanddeere that explained in laymans terms for all to understand.

I know I sure gained alot of insight on the topic.

T_Bone



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