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Flat belt work info ???

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tmq

10-28-2007 19:14:34




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Just started trying to run an old burr mill with the belt pulley on my Farmall M. Never had any experience with it before and just wondered if anyone could give me a few tips. I'm having problems getting the 2 pulleys to line up without the belt slipping or running off. How do you line up the pulleys? Do you need to use any belt dressing? Does the belt work better with a twist in it? What is better a long or short belt? Are the lacing staples still available? Any info would be appreciated.

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Randy-IA

10-30-2007 18:23:13




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
Hi , I've read that a chain should be used as a shunt for static electricity from the tractor frame to the ground . Is this based on using a certain material in the belt ( rubberized canvas , leather etc. ) or for any belt usage ? Does the same hold for the implement being run ? ...Randy



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Leroy

10-31-2007 18:01:37




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to Randy-IA, 10-30-2007 18:23:13  
Never ever even thought about anything like that when using the hammer mill, buzz saw or corn shreader and never see it at tractor shows where belts are used.



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Bret4207

10-30-2007 06:45:08




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
The only real problem I've had with flat belts is getting a long, heavy belt to work good with a buzz saw. The saw is too light and gets tippy. I'm going to mount the saw on a couple of 6x6 treated timbers and leave a tail hanging off to make it less tippy. The belt is really too heavy for the buzz saw, but beggars can't be choosers and it runs my thrasher great.

BTW- plain old roofing tar works good for belt dressing. You can't get the old style belt dressing anymore it seems, the stuff in stick form that worked so well.

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Leroy

10-29-2007 05:37:37




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
Some machines require a twist and others will only work without a twist. Length of belt is a faftor in that. Like a either front or rear mount buzz saw will only work with a straight belt. Now is the factor of rotation of both the tractor pullys, most turn foward at the top but some turn in reverce, then the operational direction of the machine. A straight belt will turn the machine the same directon as the tractor pully, a single twist will reverse the rotation. If the machine requires the same rotation as the tractor pully it is either a straight belt or a double twist. On longer belts that require a change of direction you may require a tripple twist. The longer the belt the more twists it can use.

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pjhulbert

10-28-2007 21:33:06




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
Flat belt lacing is still available, thanks to round balers. "Alligator" lacing is installed using a hammer. "Clipper" lacing is installed with a lacing machine or a special tool that is put in a vise to crimp the staples. This makes the most professional looking splices. In any case, the splicing material is made to fit a certain thickness of belt. I think both brands and designs are owned by the same company.

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pjhulbert

10-28-2007 20:26:25




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
Pulleys have a "crown" in them to help center the flat belt. If the driven machine"s pulley isn"t centered, move the back of the tractor left or right to center it. If the driver pulley on the tractor doesn"t center, move the front of the tractor left or right You can uually move the front over enough while leaving the belt on, however you usually have to remove the belt to jockey the tractor over enough to center the belt on the driven mill or thresher. It"s great entrtainment to watch rookies trying to line up the machines at a show with many onlookers. They manytimes go forward and back so many times in the same track they wear a path in the dirt. The more often you do it, the better you become. It is great satisfaction to get everythin lined up in one attempt. Doesn"t usually happen. A twist gives the best "wrap" on the pulley. A straight belt will often slap or hop (esp w/JD) and is easily affected by the wind. A longer belt is a little easier to line up and tension properly. A long belt has a visable "belly" which is the indicator of the ammount of tension on it. Each tractor line up a little difenently cut to pulley location and operator location. Practice makes perfec. Good luck!
JH

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Jerry Coulter

10-29-2007 08:03:08




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to pjhulbert, 10-28-2007 20:26:25  
In the 1950s, one of the tests in HS tractor driving contests was to belt up the flat belt to another tractor and make it run without flying off.



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poogie

10-29-2007 03:22:20




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to pjhulbert, 10-28-2007 20:26:25  
I remember when a kid there was an old man near by who did custom work using a John deere 60. He always only backed up once and the belt was correctly aligned. Others would roll back and forth several times. This old man took great pride in the apperance of his tractor and the quality of work he did. Always wore clean bib overalls. Wish I had known him better. He had two sons. Lost one in WW2 and one in Korea.

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Jimmy King

10-28-2007 19:51:35




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
I never tried to back into anything but a Thrasher belt the twist keeps the belt running smooth not slapping up and down. It also ran the thrasher the right direction.



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old

10-28-2007 19:25:07




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to tmq, 10-28-2007 19:14:34  
Most of the time a twist in the belt helps and yep its fun to get things lined up just right. I remember years ago my dad telling a story about how they put down cement for a hammer mill and they also put in bolts to hold boards so it would be easy to line up the belts. The boards where there for the tractor tires to sit between that way you could move the tractor and then put it back in the same place again with out the fight of lining things up

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steveormary

10-29-2007 08:56:35




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 Re: Flat belt work info ??? in reply to old, 10-28-2007 19:25:07  
We used a flat belt to power a grinder and a buzz saw. Later just the buzz saw. We had to put a double twist in the belt to keep the belt from slapping and then comming off the pulley. Also make sure both machines are level. And sometimes I got lucky and lined up perfect on the first try. Have fun.

steveormary



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