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Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020

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Joe in IN

10-26-2007 10:52:10




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JD4010 D NF synchro, used to have Turbo now does not. $4.5K

JD 4020 G WFE, powershift $6K
or for $1200 more JD 4020 G WFE , synchro with Loader($7.2K)

I cut about 20 acres of hay with 14 Ft JD1600 and use 327 baler. I am a flat grounder(no hills) in Indiana(Thus NF won't hurt me though would rather have WFE).

If it makes a difference I have a fuel(diesel) tank. Could that be emptied and switched to gas? I currently have 3010D.

$7200 is about as much as I want to swing right now. My preference is 4020D WFE Powershift, but funds are limiting factor.

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smigelski

10-28-2007 14:58:44




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
I ran a 4020 diesel for 2 years round baleing, I now moved up to a 4040 diesel for comforts of a cab. However for a 1/4 of the cost I could pull the same baler with my ford 3910 which also gets alot better fuel economy. It comes down to what you want to get out of your money. I haven't found a better tractor on fuel than a ford. I baled for a year with a gas tractor for about 2 months 4 years ago and it drank almost all the profit.

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Briar Creek Stables

10-27-2007 09:30:11




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
I have to agree with the others.

Up until last year I was haying with a 60hp gas tractor. I ran across a deal on a Massey 1135 diesel and what a differance. I have over twice the horsepower and tractor. The 1135 is an oldie 1978, but that perkins motor purrs like a kitten and loves to work. The best part is that it uses less than half the fuel. Not saying that this is the tractor for you, I'm sure you're looking for something a little newer

With the cost of maintenance, baling twine, cutter knives and everything else that goes wrong haying, you really don't want to add the extra gas cost to that equation. I sell some hay and like to make the most $$ I can from it.

JD does make a good tractor, but I've found that others work just as well and are much cheaper.

Just my opinion.

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redgrizzly69

10-27-2007 00:27:03




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
I would steer away from gas, brother in law thought he got a good deal on a 4020 gas , have to shut it off to put fuel on or the pumps can"t keep up!!! It really likes the gas. My Dad always said what you can do with 8 gallons of gas, you can do with 6 gallons of LP and 4 gallons of diesel, horsepower wise, I think that is still true today. The only gas tractor we keep around is for emergency, where it has to start in winter, for on the generator, but we use the diesel if we know ahead of time.

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paul

10-26-2007 22:09:40




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
Anything over 50 hp needs to be diesel - can't afford to fill a gas tank on that much power with $3 fuel. You will spend more than the cost of the machine on extra fuel over 10 years.....

I have 7 tractors, 3 (2 large, one small) diesel, 4 (small) gas. Used to have a gas combine, now a diesel (same model). Won't make that mistake again. If you were fixing it up to show & drive down the street, buy the gas. If you want to work with it, don't even look at a gas of that size.

--->Paul

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Iowa Jim

10-26-2007 19:20:15




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
If you are going to use it primarily for hay production I would steer away from a 4010/4020. The synchrorange tranmission is not set up to change speeds quickly. I'd recommend something with a speed adjustment like a TA or Over/Under.

We hay with Olivers and love the over/under as we can easily change travle speed to suit the windrow when baling or thickness of crop when cutting.

Jim

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Lincolnj

10-26-2007 19:08:42




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
I would forget about a gas tractor if you are using it for anything other than light loader work. A 4020 gas will burn ungodly amounts of fuel. I agree that 4020 diesels are a great tractor, but they are way over priced for what you are getting. I would by a different color diesel tractor before I would get a 4020 gas.



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wgm

10-26-2007 17:06:00




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
Even though I like my 4020 I wouldn't be afraid to recommend the other brands. It's a good tractor but in my opinion there are plenty of other makes out there just as good or better and probably cheaper. After all you are paying a premium for that green paint.



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onefarmer

10-26-2007 15:27:18




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
I use a 4020D WFE PS and a 4320D WFE SS and I'd write off the gas and go with the diesel. If the gas don't bother you go with the 4020G PS. Unless you plan on a loader sometime.



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MSS3020

10-26-2007 12:36:55




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
Add my two cents. 1200 between the two wide fronts. Do you need a loader? Diesel has more continuous power than gas. I have a 3020 gas p.s. wide front, wanted to put a bucket on front but my primary use is like you putting up hay. Didnt want to deal with the loader when Im putting up hay (alf) four times plus a year. I needed a bucked to move dirt and lift. So bought a skid loader instead of front loader. If you have a diesel why complicated things buy the same. my 2 cents
Good luck

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Marlowe

10-26-2007 12:14:21




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 Re: Need Tractor Purchase advice 4010/4020 in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 10:52:10  
well if funds are short I'd sure look for something other the some old JD iron a lot better tractors out there and at better prices but if your color blind then the 4020 is the newest but still old



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