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Rod in NS on rocks and plowing

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Hugh MacKay

10-22-2007 05:31:55




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Rod: I know this is hard for old Nova Scotia boys like yourself and I to comprehend, however around these parts farmers actually put wagon loads of rocks out beside the highway, with a sign put your money in the bucket and serve yourself. These guys probably get two wagon loads off 300-500 acres anually and folks actually come along and pay for these rocks. I've seen the same in Michigan, Ohio, New york and Indiana.

I had fields like that in the Musq. Valley, but I also had fields where one could get a wagon load of rocks off an acre. I always found I did far more plow damage on those 4 rocks per acre fields than where they were plentiful. Where rocks are plentiful one always slowed down and at the end of the day had done little or no damage to the plow. Where I broke the plow beam even though it had tripped was one of those 4 rocks per acre fields. Hit it when you least expected it. This is true across much of the farmland across SW Ontario, Southern Michigan, Indiana, Ohio and Western New York, most of it 4 rocks per acre.

I remember once coming upon a rock when plowing. My dad had never seen this rock in his day, in fact it was a field with very few rocks. It was about 5" below the surface, and every time I plowed I scraped over that rock, Disk would scrape it, cultivator would strike it. One day I decided to get rid of the rock. It turned out to be larger than my skid steer loader, thus I got a backhoe in dug a deeper hole beside it and the rock is still there. Probably the frost will raise it to plow depth in another 50 years. My point is those scattered big rocks do far more damage than plentiful small rocks.

Since I came here the guys up around Exeter are always complaining about OPP closing No.4 highway when icy and poor visability, Folks going to work in London just wont slow down it these conditions. This problem has become worse in recent years as more trees have been cut plus fields along No.4 have been nicely graded up to road bed, thus one can slide off the road at 100K and do little damage. I suggested if they had a granite rock about the size of a Chevy Cavelier in the ditch about every 500'folks would slow down, and OPP wouldn't have to close the road. It works in Nova Scotia and it works in Northern Ontario.

Now, I've always had a bit of entrepreneurial spirit. I once suggested to Mike Soldan we field a proposal to Premier McGinty for a contract to place rocks along No.4 highway, using the criteria it would be good for the safety of Ontarians. I firmly believe Dalton is stupid enough to fall for this hairbrain idea. Around here that volume of rocks would have to be trucked in from up north. My idea is some of those old construction boys around the Strait of Canso must have an old barge not in use. Maybe we could rent it and haul rocks up the St Lawerence Seaway and compete with Sudbury-Sault St Marie rocks, large and small rocks.

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jason, NW Ontario

10-23-2007 20:21:21




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 Re: Rod in NS on rocks and plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-22-2007 05:31:55  
Every now and then I see in the paper someone trying to sell fieldstone, or sometimes even shale (now that's a good-for-nothing kind of rock). Heck, one of the local landscaper crooks brings in slabs of southern ON flagstone to sell up here for the patios and backyard ponds.

Had the neighbour out two summers back to start pulling up fieldstone out of our worst field. Had to stop after 6 hours; only got 3/4 covered, and it looked like I had Stonehenge out there. Back then, the only machine I had on the place was a Fordson Major with a backblade - talk about forever cleaning off that field in reverse! Now I've got a smallish JD with loader, so I make a mess, but I get them out myself now. Still awful nervous about plowing that field for the first time this November...

And don't mention the rock idea to McGuinty - he'll probably tax the farmer supplying them.

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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2007 13:08:23




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 Re: Rod in NS on rocks and plowing in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 10-23-2007 20:21:21  
Jason: Ah, but most folks know all about Dalton, TAX everything that moves and some that are dead.

I told one of his minions at MTO the other day, they were nothing short of organized crime. She got quite huffy about it. I replied, You stop and give thought to what your saying, best organized criminals I know of." I was protesting the driver test for AZ drivers over 65. I advised her I'd never had a demerit point infraction lifetime and not had an accident since I was 17. I said, Yes I agree I should have a yearly medical and it should be more stringent. I also believe I should be tested for reaction time and there are simulators that can do that. But this renting a tractor trailer, 300 to 500 dollars and paying for a test is nothing short of highway robbery.

I got news for Dalton's hit men and women, I don't need an AZ licence, I don't need to drive a tractor trailer and had no intention of doing it full time. But I do have time to organize a class action. I can tell you the last Premier that took me on had one of his little pet projects canned very quickly, and I only had to write a 4 sentence letter to the editor of a major daily newspaper to silence him.

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RayP(MI)

10-23-2007 18:19:11




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 Re: Rod in NS on rocks and plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-22-2007 05:31:55  
Couple years back, son was plowing a field that had been in sod for a number of years. Hit a rock that stopped him dead. Spent quite a bit of time digging it out, as it was almost the size of a medium sized round hay bale. Was placed more or less vertically, and had a ledge on one side of the top. Found broken plow points under that ledge that didn't match any plow that I've seen on this place, so that means that rock had been a problem to farmers since before 1948 or even earlier! Had a heckofa job pulling it off with a JD B tractor, but finally got it!

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RodInNS

10-23-2007 19:02:10




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 Re: Rod in NS on rocks and plowing in reply to RayP(MI), 10-23-2007 18:19:11  
If I ever get around to it I'll get some pics posted of a rock I dug out last summer (a year ago). IT was a chunk of sandstone bedrock that probably weighed between 15-20 tonne. Probably 4-5 foot high, 10-12 long and 7-8 wide. I dug for oven an hour around it with the D4H. I finally got below it enough that the Cat could lift one corner and break it off it's slab. It took another 1/2 hour or more to 'walk' it out of the hole, corner by corner. This is an 11 tonne, 90 hp machine and it couldn't push the rock. I had to lift and push it on the corners. Took another hour or 2 to fill the hole back in. That was one devil that's been hooking plow points and mower decks now for 15 years. Time for him to go...

Rod

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Ken Macfarlane

10-23-2007 09:52:53




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 Re: Rod in NS on rocks and plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-22-2007 05:31:55  
I've got some rock I could share. The first settlers worked nearly 400 years clearing rocks from my fields and I still hit rocks. I'm dreading the thought of having to plow the darned stuff up. The islands down in the mouth of the river are a great place to plow, you never hit rocks, only drift wood.



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RodInNS

10-22-2007 14:47:13




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 Re: Rod in NS on rocks and plowing in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-22-2007 05:31:55  
Ya know, that kind of thing is not as rare here as you might at first think. Large rocks are sold for armour stone and yard curosities here. That said, I've yet to see rock for sale along the road...
We do have a few fields here without much stone, believe it or not... Our front fields are all very heavy soil (Falmouth series I think), and it's underlaid with dolomite. Most of the actual stone is dolomite, and not much of it. The old people pretty well cleaned those fields off to the point that they're more or less stone free today. The only problem is that the soil is heavy, wet and steep to the point that a billy goat would be uncomfortable...

Also, if you want to line the highway with rock, just tell McGinty to get a hold of this fella named Martin. I hear he's got a couple foriegn registered ships he'd probably free up for your project. They call on Martin Marietta quite regularly, year round. I'm afraid all that remains of old Porcupine is a facade. The whole mountain is blown down to near sea level behind the face. There's been a LOT of material come out of there since the inital blasts that built the Causeway. Seems to me I was looking at stats on aggregate production some time ago and they were producing well over a 1 mil tonne a year at that pit... I forget the actual figure now, but it was significant.

Rod

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