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How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler?

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Mike Gibson

10-11-2007 07:29:08




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Hi guys,
A neighbor is selling a NH 268 he took as part of a trade and I wondered how much HP I would need to run it? If I recall, the 68 doesn't have a kicker and so can be used by Ford 2000 sized tractors. What about the 268? Would I be pushing it?

Thanks all,
Mike




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LarryT

10-15-2007 08:08:12




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
I know that we used to have an old farmall baler and we ran it with a 2 cylinder 25 horse Wisconsin air cooled engine. Also I run a Masy 124 with a ford 841 powermaster and haven't been able to overfeed it with normal wind rows. I was pumping out about 3 bales a minute in grass and around that in alfalfa. But I also keep my knives sharp and the chamber clean. The tractor doesn't have a live PTO so that sometimes has caused a little trouble but if I back up and get everything up to speed in the clear, it just goes right on. So to get to an answer I don't see why it should take over 20-25 HP to run the baler, the rest to run the tractor.

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Vally Farm

10-12-2007 20:18:37




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
Dick, it wasn't the governer acting up, it was just a lack of torque. Used a Case 311B to pull the haybine...same thing. Short stroke means short power reserve. At 42 hp if that is all that matters, it would walk all over that Super H. But in the real world hp numbers are very subjustive. Just crank up the RPM's and you get instant HP, but with nothing keeping it at those RPM's it will quickly dog out. Mike

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Seth_ia

10-12-2007 19:13:07




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 The smallest tractor you have with A/C in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
Use the smallest tractor you have a with a good air conditioner. A JD 4430 is my pick.



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Vally Farm

10-12-2007 06:12:02




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
I've run a 273 with kicker and wagon for many years with a Super H (30 hp). I've got some good sized hills too. Original motor and clutch. Tried using father's Oliver 550 (42hp) and could NOT do it on hills, govener was working non stop even on the flats. Live PTO is nice, but it is TORQUE that makes the world go 'round. My Super A has less HP tham my lawnmower...see what I mean. Mike



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Dick L

10-12-2007 12:20:13




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Vally Farm, 10-12-2007 06:12:02  
If you would have turned the damper screw on the governor in a tad you would have been fine with the Oliver 55.



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paul

10-11-2007 20:30:45




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
To enjoy baling you need a strong drivetrain (real tractor, not a compact), heavy tractor (wheel weights if it's a small old tractor, again a real tractor, not a small import), and live pto. With live pto, you can deal with being underpowered a lot better.

The baler itself takes only 15-20 hp, but the other things are more important. You need another 10-20 hp to move & handle a wagon & deal with hills.

--->Paul

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RayP(MI)

10-11-2007 18:38:53




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
We run a 268 with a John Deere B, and a Farmall 200. Usually pull a heavy hay wagon on behind, load up to 100 bales. Once in a while, I get into a little trouble on hills where a little more traction would be helpful. Balers suprisingly don't require the power one would expect. A 20+ hp tractor will get you by, although a little more is nice. No, I don't try to set baling records, and move fairly slow. 2nd gear on JD, 1st on Farmall. Live PTO sure would be nice, but if you're careful, you can get by without. That flywheel on the baler is a great help!

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Mr. Bob

10-11-2007 18:46:00




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to RayP(MI), 10-11-2007 18:38:53  
You mentioned running a pto baler with a JD B and a Farmall 200. I'd like to try my 2N on one pulling a wagon on fairly level ground. My tractor is ballasted with calcium and has its pto hp enhanced from origional 24 to about estimated 30. I think it would do it. Biggest problem I'd forsee woul be not having live pto. Otherwise I think it'd have muscle enough for the job.



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Dick L

10-11-2007 12:36:58




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
To keep from having to take the time to move a tractor from on farm to the other I baled a three acre field of hay with a 5020 Allis dropping them on the ground. I have NH 277. Power was seemd ok on dry grass hay but the plunger made for a less the easy ride.
I baled a lot of acres with an Oliver 66 dropping on the ground but most was done with an Oliver 77 pulling a wagon. This year I used my Oliver 1650 but that is way over kill. Takes about twice the gas that the 77 does doing the same light jobs.

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Mr. Bob

10-11-2007 08:49:09




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
As long as the Ford 2000 had loaded tires and maybe wheel weights, it should handle the baler with ease. I've pulled a NH pto powered baler with both a MF 65 gas utility, and an AC D17 gas, pulling a hayrack behind, loading from 110-140 square bales with no problem. This was on hilly, rolling ground. I've also done the same with a well weighted Ford 860 and to the same degree of success. These tractors are bigger than the Ford 2000 by about 15-20 pto. hp, but if your trctor is well ballasted you should be able to use this baler as long as you keep your loads at 75 bales or so. As long as the tractor is weighted to get good traction and you have good tires and live pto; I'd say you'd be all set to go.

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hjd6gtom

10-11-2007 08:12:06




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
Pulled one with WD45 AC with hayrack holding 80 bales.



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Mr. Bob

10-11-2007 08:53:38




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to hjd6gtom, 10-11-2007 08:12:06  
A well weighted WD 45 should "play" with the baler and load you describe. They are very powerful tractors for their size. They are right in the "power neighborhood" of the Ford 860/861, JD 630, and the MF 65, but slightly less than the AC D17. I speak from personal experience with all the forementioned tractors.



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backwoodsfarm

10-11-2007 07:45:03




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 Re: How much HP to run a NH 268 Baler? in reply to Mike Gibson, 10-11-2007 07:29:08  
30HP and up should run that baler with no problem as long as your dropping bales on the ground. May want a little more for hauling a wagon behind it. Biggest thing is having a live or independant PTO. Those are a must have.



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