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Don-Wi

10-06-2007 22:55:03

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Our Oliver 546 (4-16 semi-mount) plow has an issue with bounce. I'm guesssing most of it is becaue of the car tire it has on the rim, instead of either a heavy side walled truck or implement tire. The furrow that I gotta ride in the next time around is really choppy sometimes, and it's especially bad in easier plowing fields where I can put the 1855 in 3rd over.

Our other plow (3-16 565 Oliver) doesn't have this problem, but it's got a really old & hard truck tire on it so I'm sure it doesn't have much give anymore.

The 546 has been this way since I got it about 3-4 years ago. Whadda ya think- mount a different tire on the rim?

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Donovan from Wisconsin

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Gleanerguy

10-09-2007 14:21:28

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

I have a John Deere semi mounted plow that did the same thing when I first bought it. Would cut kind of choppy furrows almost like it was trying to pull up out of the ground. I bought a manual from the John Deere dealer. Both the back and front could be adjusted up and down and the front could also be adjusted side to side.
Turned out whoever had it, had just about every adjustment way out of whack. I followed the book and now it works perfect. I am not familar with Oliver plows, however they appear to be well built plows, so I would think they would have similar adjustments.

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IaGary

10-07-2007 14:45:54

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

No one around here ever could get a semi mount to work without the gauge wheel.

Some guys bought new plows without the extra gauge wheel and ended up buying the wheel later and putting it on a new plow.

Gary

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flying belgian

10-07-2007 19:28:00

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Re: plow bounce in reply to IaGary, 10-07-2007 14:45:54

Sorry to disagree but I have a semi-mount 4 bottom without gauge wheel. You get it set right and it will work just fine.

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IaGary

10-08-2007 04:06:18

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Re: plow bounce in reply to flying belgian, 10-07-2007 19:28:00

In certain soil conditions they may be fine without the gauge wheel.

But around here we go from sand on top of the hills to black gumbo at the bottom of the hills and the plow would bounce just like Don is talking about.

Gary

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Hugh MacKay

10-07-2007 09:43:53

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

Don: Kind of hard to tell for certain from your photo, but is the back of the plow, plowing deeper than at front? My experience has been IH semi-mount and mine had two guage wheels at the back. It had an on land depth guage wheel just to the left of back moldboard and with the IH stroke control cylinder one could adjust it to same depth as the on land wheel. Mine were about 6" wide tires and using only one on some soil conditions it would cut down, allowing the plow to plow deeper at back. I see some of the newer semi-mount around here with close to 12" wide guage wheels and two of them much like my IH.

That plow is only 4 bottom and the tractor draft control should almost control depth all the way back. I know where we get into problems with rear depth control it's 5 to 8 bottoms.

I don't think your problem is the tire, I'd be more inclined to think adjustment or something bent allowing one of those two bottoms to suck more than the other 3. What does the plow look like parked on a level concrete floor? Even the tip of a bottom down 1/2" could make a difference. Are those a spring trip mechanism for each bottom? Might have something broken in trip mechanism allowing a point to go deeper under draft. If that were the case it might look normal on the ground or floor. One bottom with more suck makes sence, it would suck down to a point where other bottoms and tire would cause it to spring back up. Not saying I'm right, but look the plow over good.

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Don-Wi

10-07-2007 17:35:30

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-07-2007 09:43:53

That picture was me openign up another section of the field to plow in, so the front was higher at the front for that picture.

What I can see from the seat, is that it looks like the shares penetrate and pull in very nicely, but then the tire starts to squat down (radial car tire...) and then when the squat becomes too much the tire pushes it back up.

From what I can tell in the manual, is that the heihgt is adjusted by adjusting a bolt on the back wheel that limits how deep it will go, so from what I can tell the plow is supposed to be carried by the tire. Too soft of a tire in our harder ground is what I'm thinking the problem is, because thew area I got it form was sandy and I don't think it would have been nearly as pronounced of a problem there.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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RodInNS

10-07-2007 18:03:19

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-07-2007 17:35:30

Can you stick an 11L15 on there to rule out that theory?

Rod

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Don-Wi

10-07-2007 19:10:27

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Re: plow bounce in reply to RodInNS, 10-07-2007 18:03:19

I'm not sure but I can sure try- We've even got one sitting in the shed right now that's a 4-rib front tractor tire for one of the Ollies.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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RodInNS

10-07-2007 20:26:47

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-07-2007 19:10:27

Yeah, I figured you had one kicking around...
I dunno if it will help or not since I've never experienced that kind of problem, but it won't cost you much to try.
Honestly though, I think you'll probably find more headway on settings. It always seems to be the damdest little things.
I've got a mounted plow that likes to lay over on it's side in hard ground. I've got to spend some time on it and get it straight. It's just that it's doing a decent job now so I go with it rather than spend the time on it... but it's taking shins and land sides off faster than it should. You know how it is... never any time for those things.

Rod

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Fern(Mi)

10-07-2007 04:37:22

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

Don:
The plow needs some readjustment. The plow is trying to plane out of the ground. The front may need to go down and the back lifted up. If you"ve used both plows on same tractor, the plows are set differently. Check your front mast mounting bolting as well as rear. Could be wheel and tire adding to your woes. Had to exchange a 14" tire and rim for larger 15" rim and larger tire Here few years back. A couple inches in tire height makes an inch difference in plow depth. If you"re unable to re-bolt plow mast height you may have to crank down right hand three point arm for plows right hand tilt to better dig in.

Hmm, rethinking this it may just be a couple three simple items: rear tire�s set depth, plows simply need tilting to the right, and/or the hitch needs shifting for off land plowing.

Not there to see for myself I can only suggest these ways to look at the problem. Good Luck.
Fernan

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Don-Wi

10-07-2007 07:30:20

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Fern(Mi), 10-07-2007 04:37:22

The tire issue you mention makes me wonder- The 546 has a 15" tire, and the 565 has a 14" tire on it. Traditionally we don't like to plow too deep in our soil because we don't have that much topsoil and there's no reason to bring up all the red clay.

I bought the plow from another part of the state (Wisconsin Dells area)that is really sandy and easy plowing.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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RickB

10-07-2007 09:18:26

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-07-2007 07:30:20

After reading all this, I think you need to adjust the tailwheel depth to match the cut of the new shares. Tire size should be able to be compensated for with a stop adjustment. Not really familiar with Oliver plows, but any brand can be adjusted to work better than you describe.

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RickB

10-07-2007 04:22:01

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

Forget the tire, work on the plow adjustments. Try letting your left hand lift link out a little. Worn out shares won't help either.

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Allan In NE

10-07-2007 03:24:00

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

A rough, uneven furrow bottom is "usually" caused by plain, old-fashioned dull shares.

Allan

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Don-Wi

10-07-2007 07:32:49

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Allan In NE, 10-07-2007 03:24:00

I had to replace the shares and everything else except the moldboards before it would even try to suck in. After replacing them it sucks right in and works good, other than the bounce. It pulls straight too.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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sammy the RED

10-07-2007 02:09:25

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

I don't think it is the tail wheel/tire.

Are you sure that the plow is set up correctly ?

Sounds like it is not sucking right.

Are you running the right side tires of the tractor in the furrow ?

The pic looks like you are driveing all four tires of the tractor on land ?

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Don-Wi

10-07-2007 07:26:49

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Re: plow bounce in reply to sammy the RED, 10-07-2007 02:09:25

That pic was take when I was starting another section of the field, but otherwise I am in the furrow.

Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't do it, but it gets worse when I can pull it a little faster.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Bob

10-07-2007 00:22:31

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Don-Wi, 10-06-2007 22:55:03

I ASSUME you've inflated the tire to as much pressure as is "safe"?

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Don-Wi

10-07-2007 00:28:52

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Re: plow bounce in reply to Bob, 10-07-2007 00:22:31

I've tried it at 40 and it's no better than at 30. It's a 235 R75-15 car tire.(what is a normal sidewall- 2 ply?)

We've got a much smaller spare implement tire on a 6 bolt rim I may put on just to try it out, and if that seems to solve it I'll have to spring for a new tire that's the right size.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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