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newbie haymaker

10-06-2007 15:51:02




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I am planning on planting "Bob"? oats for winter forage for my horses. I have a 10 ft disc that came with the farm. Should i disk land first, broadcast seed and then disk again or use chain harrow ? Any suggestions appreciated.

thanks,

newbie




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El Toro

10-07-2007 13:46:57




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 Re: planting oats in reply to newbie haymaker, 10-06-2007 15:51:02  
I would just use the disk. Hal
PS: I wouldn't disk too deep when covering.



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Plateau Steve

10-06-2007 21:53:35




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 Re: planting oats in reply to newbie haymaker, 10-06-2007 15:51:02  
The question for us new farmers is, what are the options for planting these winter grains? When I just had a garden to take care of, spreading and raking by hand was all it took. Now I find myself with 4 acres needing a winter rye sowing soon and am weighing the options.

Tell me if I got a good list of possibilities or am I forgetting something:

option 1: broadcast and harrow in after disking the soil
option 2: drill into prepared seedbed
option 3: no-till drill into unprepared ground

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Briar Creek Stables

10-06-2007 18:32:01




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 Re: planting oats in reply to newbie haymaker, 10-06-2007 15:51:02  
I really hope you know what you're getting yourself into when it comes to horses and oats.



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newbie haymaker

10-06-2007 18:45:42




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 Re: planting oats in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-06-2007 18:32:01  
I dont, taking advice from county agents. Enlighten me please. Name doesn't just apply to haymaking.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-06-2007 19:06:17




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 Re: planting oats in reply to newbie haymaker, 10-06-2007 18:45:42  
I don't recall giving you advice on this matter. I only stated that I hope you know what you're getting into. The grains you feed have oats already in them and it is a measured amount.

I've been in the horse business for most of my life and every horse person has their own way of doing things, and everyone gets a little testy if you make suggestions that are a little different from thier ways.

Ever hear of the saying "feeling their oats" ? Or Founder, or Colic? You may want to check into these. It's not a bad thing to feed a horse oats, you just have to limit the amount they get.

Do as you please, just remember you wouldn't fill a five gallon pale of high energy feed and hand it to a horse.

I'm a country gent, so just pass me off as not knowing what I'm talking about.

I've lost a good horse that helped themslves to the oats once. Hope this doesn't happen to you.

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Tx Jim

10-07-2007 04:41:48




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 horses can graze oats in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-06-2007 19:06:17  
Briar Creek Stables.I disagree with your statement about it not being a good idea to feed horses oat hay. I've owned horses for 50 years. I've fed horses oat hay with no founder or colic problems. When one properly cuts/bales oats,the proper time to cut them is when seed head first emerges from the stalk(water or milk stage) Then after curing the seed head will be flat(no dough) and forage will be at opitimum protien. I've also grazed oats with horses but they will get too fat if not monitored. My vet told me it's difficult to founder a horse on just oats alone because they are fairly low in protien and high in fiber. Tx Jim

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paul

10-06-2007 21:51:28




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 Re: planting oats in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-06-2007 19:06:17  
I've lost cattle that got into the stored grains too.

I think he is talking about grazing, or making hay of, the oats as green grass. Not harvesting it as grain????

I don't know much about horses, so I can't offer much help on that part of it. Young oats could be high in nitrates, or other issues. As hay will be good, for grazing & a hosre, I'd want expert advise so as not to create real problems.

Works well for making forage for cattle.

I let my oats field regrow after harvest, real soon now I will fence in the oats (green plant, 1/2 way to setting seed maybe), some soybean stubble, and mostly cornstalks and let the cattle have at it.

They really enjoy that, until the snow gets deep. They like the ears of corn, the husks & leaves of corn, the oats, and the dry soybean hulls. If it stays dry, it is fun to watch threm go after the soy hulls. They don't like them much if it rains a lot.

For planting forage oats, if the ground is mellow, disking, broadcast, & dragging would be best. If the ground is hard or has a lot of trash on top, a couple of diskings, broadcast seed, and disk it in gentley will work best.

For what is wanted, it will be hard to go wrong if you can catch a rain within a week of doing the broadcasting, don't worry about it too much, just do it. :) Oats grows easily if it can get a rain, plant it a bit heavier if the ground isn't worked the best.

--->Paul

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another doug

10-06-2007 17:11:10




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 Re: planting oats in reply to newbie haymaker, 10-06-2007 15:51:02  
Hay Newbie!
You don't want to bury the oats , so I would not want to disc after seeding it myself, but you're the doctor...
Get the seedbed nice and worked up and somewhat level , no big ridges from the disc, if your disc does that , find a drag or a board or telephone pole that is a little wider than your disc and this will help get it smooth....broadcast with a seeder (or borrow a grain drill if you can and you'll be done)a chain harrow would be ok, sounds like that is what you have at hand.I would think twice about discing it after seeding it, sure would be nice to get a rain on it, but we here in Indiana had a dry year, your forage oats will grow and should only be killed by a good hard frost if you live where that is going to happen...2-2.5 bushels per acre on that seeding rate sound about right?, Amish farmes are a good source of information but most don't spend alotta time at the computer (LOL)so maybe a personal visit is in order if you have any nearby!

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Chick

10-08-2007 22:02:53




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 Re: planting oats in reply to another doug, 10-06-2007 17:11:10  
Colic, in horses, normally comes from undigested grain getting into the gut of a horse. The grain continues to digest in the gut, and forms gas, and thus, gas pains. The horse, not knowing what else to do, rolls back and forth on his side, to relieve the pain. Problem here is that when he rolls, he can twist a gut, which shuts everything down. If this happens, you have about 12-14 hours before the horse dies. Colic surgery has gotten out of hand, price wise. A full grown horse has a 3 gallon (approx.) stomach. Just be sure not to fill it more than half full of feed, and you will normally be ok, as long as they have plenty of water. We normally feed our horses 1 1/2 gallons, twice a day. Oat hay should not be a problem, as long as the oats are cured on the stem.

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