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Chick

10-06-2007 08:20:21

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I have had 3 NH balers, and all 3 gave me cresent shaped "banana bales". I have done many things, and made numerous adjustments, and have never been able to completely solve this problem. I am baling Bahia hay. Any suggestions? Do the plunger face extentions help?

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jason, NW Ontario

10-08-2007 17:24:35

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

When our 276 gives us banana bales, I will:
- speed up, or
- combine windrows. Or both.
And then the problem is gone.

The mechanic I deal with had a 273 when he was growing up. His family baled one million and fifty thousand with it. Said they put so much in the feed chute that many bales were only 2 flakes. I always picture shearing the bolts if the chute starts looking full, but that fear produces banana bales on occasion because I slow down. When I gear up the bales are perfectly square. What are you pulling the baler with, and what gear?

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Iowa Jim

10-08-2007 07:27:52

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

In my experience the banana bale phenomenon stems for the windrow. I have put 50,000 bales through a NH 273 over the past 7 years and the only times I have had "banana bales" was when we had extremely light windrow.

We cut with a NH 499 12' Haybine and put two windrows together to keep the baler full and get good bales. Try getting a bigger windrow and I bet your bale problem will disappear, provided that the tension is correct in the chamber.

Jim

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Illinois Farmall

10-08-2007 05:41:32

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

I had the same problem with my NH268. If you haven"t done so already, you need to adjust the feed arm as it"s either putting too much hay into one side of the bale chamber or not enough. It"s an easy adjustment that takes about 5 minutes to do and is shown in the manual. I fought this problem all season one year until I read ALL of the manual. Glad to hear that you have hay to bale. I"ve been feeding hay for over a month now and buying whatever I can as my hay crop was half of last years.

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Chick

10-08-2007 06:27:54

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Illinois Farmall, 10-08-2007 05:41:32

Our problem has been too much rain. When I finally got in the field last week, We actually stuck the tractor pulling the baler! This was one spot though, the rest was ok.

I have adjusted the feeder forks until I am blue in the face. I have books on all of my balers (69, 269 and 276). Anyway, I plan to go back and look at my feeder forks, and compare to a friends 311, and try to duplicate that.

Thanks!

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Rexalot

10-08-2007 04:57:19

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

Try adjusting the tension on the bale chamber like this:

Tighten down the bale chamber tension on the LONG side of the bale and loosen the tension on the SHORT side. Make small numbers of turns until the bale squares up then adjust to weight keeping the mismatch.

Sometimes you may need to unequalize the tension to get the bale square.

Otherwise, you need to feed more material into the side that is short. If you don't have a manual for your balers, I do have a copy for the 69...

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BobHnwOh

10-07-2007 06:40:32

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

I adjusted my NH 268 all the way ahead to put more hay on left side,it now makes perfect bales at any ground speed or any size windrow,Bob.

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Chick

10-07-2007 08:33:04

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to BobHnwOh, 10-07-2007 06:40:32

Check my post from last night, for the fork adjustment, and other things I have tried. Thanks!

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Nhbalerman

10-06-2007 18:54:50

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

Chick,what I have found is that the spring in the feeder is weak and it is telescoping so what I have done on several of them is take that spring out and put a bolt through to make it solid although you do not want to take the feeder apart unless you know what you are doing because the spring is under tension. This has helped and the balers make good square bales like they did when they were new and we have crowded them heavy as we could put the hay in trying to break something and it worked perfect.

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Chick

10-06-2007 19:57:10

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Nhbalerman, 10-06-2007 18:54:50

The feeder fork bar is solid. The spring was taken out long ago. It is a 276. I have adjusted the feeder forks until I ran out of adjustment. I have taken wedges out of the short side of the bale and added wedges on the side that is long. I even welded flat iron on the wedges that are on the long side, in an attempt to increase tension on that side of the bale. Windrow width doesn"t seem to affect it at all. The hay dogs and springs, are good. On the 269, I even added another hay dog and spring, so that there are 3 on top and bottom, like the newer NH balers. I have not done this on the 276, but will probably do this. I have noticed that the John Deere and Massey Ferguson balers seem to handle the Bahia hay, without making the curved bale. I have baled with 2 different NH 311"s, and they were better. I have also noticed that the new NH balers have gone to the feeder fork assembly similiar to the JD and MF balers. I also notice that the new NH balers come with the plunger face extentions, and wonder if NH is aware of the problem and has changed the feeder fork and made the plunger face extention standard, to deal with the problem. Anyway, I have been on a quest for several years to sure this problem with Bahia. Any other suggestions are appreciated. Oh yeah, the balers were models 69, 269 and 276. Thanks!

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backwoodsfarm

10-06-2007 18:50:15

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

Chick - I"m assuming you have and older NH baler. Several things to check on the baler. You should have at least 2 sets of bale wedges inside the bale chamber. These add side resistance. Hay dogs are also important. There should be five of those, three on top and two on bottom. Make sure the springs are good on them and that they are in the bale chamber holding the hay back during each plunger stroke. Feeder finger penetration is also important, but most importantly is a full consistant windrow of hay. I will sometimes rake two or three windrows together to make it large enough for consistant feeding. Proper ground speed and it should bale good for you.

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Tom from Ontario

10-06-2007 18:38:00

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

1. Bale Ramps
2. Slow down

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BobHnwOh

10-06-2007 17:03:31

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

Chick,there is an adjustment that can be made to solve your problem,what model balers do you have?Bob,

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Joe(TX)

10-06-2007 16:25:26

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

The others have good ideas. Windrow size is a factor.
Most of the times I have had problems it has been due to the feeder fork adjustment. Check the manual, although I misread part of it and made my problem worse.

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Briar Creek Stables

10-06-2007 11:55:05

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

I agree with the other two.

One other thing that I have seen do this is if the strands of hay are two short. I had one area of my hayfield that was shaded and didn't grow so well and the bales I got were banana bales in that section of the field. After I got out to where the hay was normal lenth, it went back to bailing fine.

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10-06-2007 09:31:05

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

Is the windrow feeding evenly into the baler pick-up, we have problems occasionally when the windrow is too wide, and then bunches up on the outside corners of the pick-up , this causes lumps to feed into the bale chamber and make bales that are curved, usually bent to the left as you view from behind the bales i.e. more product in right side of bale as compared to left side. the only cure for this is to use a rake to make the windrow narrower. Hope this helps, oj

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haymaster

10-06-2007 09:17:23

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Re: New Holland banana bales in reply to Chick, 10-06-2007 08:20:21

Plungerhead extensions probably will help, although most banana bale problems are caused from too little side resistance in the chamber and too much pressure from the top by the cranks.
check the resistance wedges in the chamber, the more side resistance, the better you can control weight and shape. grass is always harder to make good bales

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