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Tweeter

10-06-2007 06:23:01




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I have a 6 or 8 ton running gear that I want to put a wooden deck on for miscellaneous projects. I have the gear all painted and ready for wood. What kind and size of wood does a good job for the two beams that run from axle to axle? I am going to go with a 14ft length I think.




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RodInNS

10-09-2007 14:18:33




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
I've got no advice for you regarding wood, other than yo ought to avoid it.
I'd be using 3x8x1/4 steel channel for the stringers and 3x1.5x1/4 channel on 2' spacing for the crosses, then deck it off with 1/8 deck plate.
It'll outlast the wooden jobs, it'll weigh half as much and it will be stronger. Might cost a bit more up front, but not that much... and then it's done.

Rod



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jason, NW Ontario

10-08-2007 17:33:10




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
I built a 16 ft wagon deck in June, and just used triple laminated PT 2x6's for the main beams. Cross members were 2x6 rough cut tamarack. Only put 100 bales at a time, but that's because the tires look a bit dodgy. Worked fine.



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kyhayman

10-06-2007 22:58:00




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
For wagons I use 4x8x20 white oak runners, with 1-1/2xvariable widthx8 decking nailed with twisted shank case hardened nails and 2x6x20 side boards. Everything white oak, rough cut. While I normally haul silage or hay, the payload with round bale silage runs well over 8 tons. Havent had any breakage problems with this design though when I used to use 3x10x20's I broke a couple of runners over the years.

On trailer decks I'm using 2x6's with 4 inch C channel on 30 inch centers for cross bracing. One again, rough cut white oak. While I dont know about dozer parts I hauled two 6000 pound concrete stock tanks last month. Didnt break anything on the trailer but when I off loaded them I broke a leaf spring shackle on the truck.

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backwoodsfarm

10-06-2007 19:01:24




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
All of my kicker wagons have 6x6x16 PT beams with 4x4x8 PT cross beams. The decking is 2x6x16 rough hemlock (for traction!!). I have five of them and all but one is nearing it's 10th year of 150+/- bales per load, 8,000+/- bales per year.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-06-2007 12:04:11




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
The guy down the road from me just built one and used telephone poles for his main beams. He said he found a couple pole that were fairly strait and the same size. He used shim blocks to keep everything even. I always see him carting his equipment around on it. I thought the poles were a little over kill, but they seem to be holding up.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-06-2007 18:53:38




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-06-2007 12:04:11  
Your post got me wondering how exactly he did put that thing together, so I stopped by and took a look.

He used land scaping ties for the cross members and bolted everything together with hardened bolts.

He had his dozer setting on it when I stopped. The trailer I'm sure is way heavier than what you are looking to build. My neighbor just has a way of doing everything in a BIG way. You should see what he did to his tractor.

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johns48jdb

10-06-2007 09:10:47




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
yu could realy use a steel bed for what you do, but it would be heavy and expensive. you might do like other suggestion, but use 3 or 4 main beams laminated up like stated. problem is you need to use exterior plywood that has been pressure treated. you need to wear a mask when you cut the pressure treated wood. bad stuff in the dust. use pressure treated wood for it all and bolts and screws - no nails!

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Jim in Ma.

10-06-2007 07:04:57




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 06:23:01  
I just did one, 16' - I used two 2x12s with 1/2" plywood center put together with liquid nails and 3" deck screws - than put 2/6"s crossways for the deck.
I also put a 2/4" along each side on top so nothing will slide off.
With my narrow gates it's only 7 1/2' wide - works great for me. Jim



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Tweeter

10-06-2007 08:04:30




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Jim in Ma., 10-06-2007 07:04:57  
What do you use your wagon for? I am looking to use mine for firewood, implements (when I maintenance them, my dozer parts (heavy pieces) when I prep and paint them. Is your deck strong enough?



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paul

10-06-2007 21:57:06




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 Re: Rebuilding Wagon in reply to Tweeter, 10-06-2007 08:04:30  
I'm sure we are all thinking hay here. I was.

You might need a little more beef to the stringers (2 long pieces) than average.

As well, you might want 4x4 cross members spaced 2 feet or 16 inches apart, and run the 2x6 or 8 or 10 decking the long way. This will give the decking a lot more support.

--->Paul



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