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Haybine or MoCo for an M

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John S-B

09-27-2007 05:58:35




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Hey guys, I am currently mowing with an old Hesston self propelled windrower, which mows great when it's running but is very slow. I'd like to get a haybine or MoCo that I could pull with a Farmall M. I think that some of the older ones have a single acting hydraulics to lift the head and that would work for this tractor. I think it should be able to handle a nine foot head, may have to do second gear. What models would work with my M? I am thinking of $2500 as my budget.

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Leroy

09-28-2007 17:44:43




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
John, We used to pull a Case 555 that is the same as a PT 10 and a 9' with a Farmal H with no problems. At that Time the biggest tractor was a John deere A that is the same power as your M and at no time did we ever get close to needing to put the larger tractor on it. If you get a machine that lifts the whole machine you need a lot of hydrolics (Tried a Gehl like that when our Case was in shop) but a machine that lifts only the header does not take much.

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georgeky

09-27-2007 21:24:21




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
Yes the M has plenty of guts for the haybine. Like mentioned the JD's are harder to lift.



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johns48jdb

09-27-2007 15:45:28




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
i doubt if you'll gain any speed by pulling anything with an m. the self propelled rig should turn on a dime and just being able to turn corners faster should save you a lot of time over a tag along unit.



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John S-B

09-27-2007 21:54:51




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to johns48jdb, 09-27-2007 15:45:28  
It does ok once I get it too the field, it's just Veerry slow on the road, maybe 6-8 mph. Also it's a 1968 model Hesston 310. All belt drive (hard to replace belts, you have to take a lot of stuff apart) and parts might be getting scarce. I had to replace a axle bearing housing and found one of three left in the country. Since all my equipment is old, I want to have a backup for everything. Right now I'm having a heckuva time just finding the right cap, rotor and points for the Wisconsin VH4D engine.

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johns48jdb

09-28-2007 02:31:08




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 21:54:51  
i use to have a heston 12 foot cut and it was slow getting around. i made a trailer to haul it on since i did custom cutting and bailing for the public. wasn"t to bad to do, but did go back and add some railing where i could to help keep it centered on the runners when loading and unloading to be safer. i know what you mean by the belt replacement. they do make clamps for hard to fix belts. i haven"t used in in years, so they may have an improvment over what yuse to be available. you cut the new belt (ouch), put the connectors on each end and then with the belt in place you put a keeper in between the two ends, if memory serves me right. i realy believe that you"d be better off going with the pull type since you"ve told me about the stick drive now. they were just always a pain to replace and the only place they break is right out in the sun.

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har

09-27-2007 15:40:47




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
I use a Hesston 1091 behind my M, and used to have a PT-10. It handled either one easily, although the 1091 is pretty heavy, with a lot of tongue weight. These machines can use either a single or double acting cylinder, or a double acting cylinder hooked up one way with the rod end port vented to the air. I tried a JD 1207 once, but they use a small single acting cylinder and the M didn't have enough hydraulic pressure to lift it, and there was no room for a larger diameter cylinder. I think most John Deeres of that age were set up the same way.

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onefarmer

09-27-2007 10:25:58




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
I've pulled a 489 behind my M. Don't like to because of the narrow front, but if it had wide I'd use it more.



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onefarmer

09-27-2007 10:24:54




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
I've pulled a 489 behind my M. Don't like to because of the narrow front, but if it had wide I'd use it more.



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old

09-27-2007 07:40:44




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
Most any of the old NH mocos should work just fine. I pull an NH460 behind my Oliver 77 and it plays with it in all but the real touch stuff and even then it does a good job. I picked up my 460 for $500 but then also had to buy a cylinder for it so total was still less then a $1000. If you look around you should be able to find one of the NH models well with in your budget

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Allan In NE

09-27-2007 06:10:44




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 Re: Haybine or MoCo for an M in reply to John S-B, 09-27-2007 05:58:35  
I dunno,

I use an old 12 foot NH495 cause I can't find anything else to replace it.

Pretty sure my old H would pull that thing in 4th gear.

Allan



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