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notill drills...getting started

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jimgoddard

09-18-2007 16:45:48




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Originally I figure Id borrow a drill from the coop but that seems less doable now that I look into it. Theres HUGE demand for their 2 drills during the time Id need it and neighboring counties are the same + Id have to pay for transportation. Rain or shine the date I sign up for it is my only chance to use it -- there are no alternate rain dates unless I sign up for extra time. That extra time has to be paid for whether the machine is being used or not. So, I was thinking about the possibility of buying a good used notill drill. An advantage (I think) is being able to make some $$$ by renting it as there seems to be enough spot demand.

My requirements are on the small side, no wider than 10' b/c fields & esp. gates around here can be on the small side. Im only interested in planting grass seed and small grains. Whatever I get has to have parts available and be easy to setup and fix. It must also be able to plant into heavy soils which may sometimes be very hard and set seed at a consistent depth. My budget isnt big and Id like to keep it < 5k.

I have no experience w/ drills other than what Ive read. It seems everybody and his uncle makes a notill drill some of which are probably very good and others not so much. Im not at the point I could tell one from the other. What would you suggest? What works well and is reliable? I could use some help sorting all this out.

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James22

09-19-2007 19:44:16




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
Look for a older drill with a coulter cart. These can usually be bought for much less than a JD 750. An older Great Plains would be great. As I have stated before, I went with a 20 ft JD520 and a Yetter cart which was purchased for $4000. A JD 515 or 415 with a cart would work good. Last year the neighbor bought a 15 ft Tye Series V for $5000. An CIH 5400 with a BluJet cart would be fine, but generally they are a little hard to find below $8000.

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jimgoddard

09-19-2007 12:45:41




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
Thanx very much for the good replies. Ill try to answer all your questions:

1) Id like to notill b/c its once thru the field instead of plow, harrow, plant. One pass seemed a lot better than 3 (or more). Plowing also digs up rocks and what not that I just as soon not have to pick.

2) I have thought seriously about hiring this work out but have yet to find some one w/ the time and drill to do it. Either they dont have time or dont want the work.

3) As I said in my initial posting I would be happy w/ anything meeting my req thats 10' or less. I suppose thats makes the choices 7' or 10'.

4) My budget really doesnt include anything over 8k. Im sure the JD drill is great but all Ive seen for sale are very expensive.

5) My tractor is a TN75 4wd and I think thats enough to run a pull type even if its weighed to cut sod. I understand the 3pt versions req a much bigger tractor.

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jimgoddard

09-19-2007 14:21:53




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-19-2007 12:45:41  
Another thought...how doable is it to convert a drill to notill? Ive read this can be done but has anyone actually done this and come out w/ a useful machine?



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Dave from MN

09-19-2007 06:36:49




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
Is there a reason you HAVE to go with a no till drill, conventional drills are all over and can be bought pretty cheap<$1000. I was planning on going no till all the way next year for my ventue into crops, but I have backed off that and will be gearing up for min till. The no tillage here on my land, that is rented out currently, has seen a dramatic increase in weeds, and a noticable increase in roundup resistance. Also the ground is hard a cement and rain has been just running off rather than soaking in to the plant roots. Just my 2cents

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IaGary

09-19-2007 04:05:59




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
If you havn't got many acres to do you may be better off hiring someone to plant the acres for you.

Are people in your area notilling grass seed and small grains?

If so are they going into old sod?

Takes a pretty good drill, with a lot of down pressure, to sow into sod I would think. The more down pressure, the heavier the drill, the bigger the tractor needed.

Gary



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johns48jdb

09-19-2007 02:36:35




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
when using a drill you need to pay close attention to where your tires run on the next pass. the tires need to run to the inside of the last pass you made. if you don't you'll have a skipped place in between the rows and nothing will grow there but weeds. if you have trouble estimating where your tires need to run set you up a bar across the front of the tractor and let a chain drag the ground to help guide you.

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Hay DR

09-18-2007 20:36:20




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
A new 10' pull-type goes for close to $20k. All the used one we have traded in sell in less than a week. Good used no-till drills are selling for $8k and up. You might be able to find a used 3 point no-till drill in your price range but you better have close to a 100 HP or more tractor to handle a 10' 3 point no-till drill.



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PreciseFarms

09-18-2007 19:53:21




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 Re: notill drills...getting started in reply to jimgoddard, 09-18-2007 16:45:48  
I'd go for a 750 Deere. They are simple to use and parts are available through Shoup. Several around here also have Great Plains. They are common around here in 7' and 10' lenghts and seem to be pretty good.



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