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Worn Plow Bottoms?

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Old Ag

08-25-2007 16:24:50




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I've been away from the site for a while, but now I'm back to pose a question. Attached is a picture of my Ferguson Type 14A 2-bottom hitched behind my 9N. Are these points worn are are they supposed to look that way? I've had this plow for a while and have used it to break up clay soil, but unless the ground has been worked before, all I do is make grooves and turn over a thin strip of soil and trash. Usually it takes several passes to get half the moldboard covered with the throwing dirt.

Thanks.

Jim G. in TX

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LenND

08-28-2007 18:42:41




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
I remember using those plow bottoms very well. As soon as the point war down you couldn't get the plow to stay in the ground so you took it to a blacksmith and he welded new ones on.



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MLD

08-28-2007 11:51:17




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
There made that way, the old style points were long like that, I don't think you can find them anymore. You can't go by the look, I've had points that looked great but wouldn't go in the ground, try to find some replacements.



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Larry T

08-27-2007 16:38:50




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 Looks bad from here in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
After looking at them from the given angles, I cant believe that you can pull it at all if you could get it in the ground. Looks like the rear sheer hooked a root or something. They are pulling against each other which would either bury them or cause them to just skate over the top. Make sure that both frames are parallel with each other , and that when you set them down, they sit level and both hit at the same time. You can use the top link and right side arm adjuster to do some of this, but get it straightened out before you try to use both together. Larry T

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tim[in]

08-27-2007 07:20:55




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
Check the measurements on the pieces that attatch the moldboard to the uprights.[standards]They should both be the same angles. looks like first one is bent.



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flying belgian

08-26-2007 14:59:22




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
I think we have determined that the plow is not bent. If you have it adjusted right (level from front to back and side to side) then the only thing left to try is taking a grinder to the shares and sharpen the bottom edge and point like a lawn mower blade.



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LenND

08-26-2007 13:43:58




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
Like the others said measure your bottoms to make sure they are straight. If you have a hard clay soil and it has been hot and dry there you may not get the plow in the ground. In fact it may lift your tractor off the ground before it will go in if the hydraulics are strong enough.



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Pooh Bear

08-26-2007 11:11:59




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
Can you shorten the top link any?

And try removing the rear plow?

I have problems trying to plow with both bottoms on my plow.

2x16 plow pulled by an 8N tractor. And I know my plow shares are worn.

And the plow can't be setup correctly because the drag

link pins are both at the same height. Don't know why that was done.

But I can still plow deeper than I need to in my small garden.

Shortening your top link will make it plow deeper.

Pooh Bear

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Gerald J.

08-26-2007 10:09:30




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
The plow shares look nearly new to me. Those noses out front are what wear off first so they aren't worn.

But that front plow looks like it was hooked on a boulder at speed and its warped back so its dragging instead of plowing. It might be in the bolts and frog, but looking from above the plow beam is bent too.

This plow has decent shares and moldboards but wasn't a great buy.

Gerald J.



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Old Ag

08-26-2007 20:22:37




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Gerald J., 08-26-2007 10:09:30  
Thanks Gerald. You answered my question - the noses out front are intentional. Who'd a thunk it. Newer versions I've seen have straight shares edges from front to back.

Jim G.



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Leroy

08-31-2007 05:34:41




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-26-2007 20:22:37  
The type you are used to is a throw away type share and cost about half the price of just getting the type you have here sharpened by a blacksmith using a forge. Do not use a grinder on them as that will cost lots of acres . I could give directions for sharpening out of old plow manuals and you could do that with a torch if you do not have a forge. That share now is in the $80-$100 per share range and you do not want to do anything to dammage them. These types were made before the blade type that doesen't have the nose on altho some of the newer blade type shares are called deep suck and do have a nose on them.

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Gerald J.

08-27-2007 08:30:00




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-26-2007 20:22:37  
Different makers used different shapes. That tongue out front often is turned down a bit to be sure to pull the plow into the ground but it wears the fastest.

Gerald J.



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Leroy

08-26-2007 06:17:59




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
Take a tape measure and using a point on the front of each bottom, not the edge of share but where the share and boldboard meet and see what the measurement is. Now go to the back end of share at same type of spot, share to moldboard and measure. Both beasurements should be the same, if not something is bent. You cannot use a wear spot such as the cutting edge of the share because one share will wear different than the other. If those measurements are not the same you might be able with some shims adjust to get them aligned.

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johns48jdb

08-26-2007 03:49:09




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
guys, the man said it plows all right after he gets down through the upper crust. so i would think his plow is ok, but does have it sitting to much on the point, especailly when it takes the ground. the way it is now it would be tilled way to much over on the point when it started to take the ground. first bush hog the ground and then come back a few days later and do it again or, if you can, burn it off, with the local fire departments blessing of course. next find a sub moisture plow with one point on it and break the ground open with it. you may have to do it at least twice, once at an angle to the first passes. wait for a good rain and then in a couple of days try your plow again.

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Where???

08-26-2007 12:31:45




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to johns48jdb, 08-26-2007 03:49:09  
Where did he say that it plows OK after he gets down through the upper crust? You need to read that message again!!!



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El Toro

08-26-2007 04:44:24




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to johns48jdb, 08-26-2007 03:49:09  
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That plow should go deep enough to make the tractor lose some traction, even on my garden tractor it will go deep enough to make it lose traction using tire chains. I used it Saturday to plow out potatoes. Hal



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El Toro

08-25-2007 18:14:07




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
That front moldboard looks to twisted to the left.
Hal



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stan stenerson

08-25-2007 17:03:13




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 16:24:50  
looks like front plow beam may be twisted to the left-that would prevent plow from going into the ground and doing some serious plowing.



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Old Ag

08-25-2007 17:25:46




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to stan stenerson, 08-25-2007 17:03:13  
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Thanks for the quick reply. I just went out and took a picture of it top-down holding the camera as far up as I could reach. Does it still look crooked? I've got brackets for adding coulters, but I haven't tried to make some yet. Do you think that will make any difference? Soil here is heavy, black clay down to 3ft. Lots of tall, thick trash to cut and turn over.

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El Toro

08-26-2007 16:19:17




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 17:25:46  
Take notice on where the front plow is aligned with the beam and the rear plow is away from that rear beam and that beam appears to be bent. I would go with a single 16-inch plow too as been suggested. I had one on a Farmall A and it would
just about disappear when in the ground. Hal



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mark

08-26-2007 11:10:59




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 17:25:46  
Your plow points (shares) look just fine and whether it is an optical illusion or not...the rest of the plow doesn't.

But if the plow isn't warped and you get it adjusted properly, it should do what it is supposed to.

But, this is about the driest time of year and the ground is hard as a rock. It is almost impossible to get a plow to penetrate unless the moisture content is right..... .like in the spring or late fall.

If you have heavy trash...coulters will help cut through it, so the plow can turn it under. But trash is crop residue, not tall weeds.

If your plow frame is warped/twisted...go buy another plow. Those old Dearborn plows are pretty common and generally cheap. I have one I bought for $60 last year. If I had an old Ford 8N-9N-2N...I'd rather use a single 16" anyway.

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Weldon K

08-26-2007 10:42:47




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 17:25:46  
I laid a protractor, with adjustable angle finding bar, over this photo . It shows that the shares are parallel with one another and both have the same angle to the left from the beam above them .This implies that there is nothing out of line or bent. I think angle of camera to plow causing optical illusion is reason some think one of the beams is bent. Use a tape measure , straight edge and builders square to make measurements and visually make angle comparisons. As to why plow is not going into the soil-- hard dry soil , not heavy enough weight of plow for soil conditions, plow shares set at too flat of angle to penetrate soil surface (shorten top link ).

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Thack

08-25-2007 20:40:51




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to Old Ag, 08-25-2007 17:25:46  
Old Ag,

Yes, to me both look outta wack!



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JMS/MN

08-25-2007 17:08:23




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 Re: Worn Plow Bottoms? in reply to stan stenerson, 08-25-2007 17:03:13  
Agreed- the points look very good, but until the frame/standard is straightened and the plow adjusted properly, it will not work right. The bottoms are fighting each other.



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