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woods splitter hydraulics question

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pancho

08-21-2007 11:05:06




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My 25 year old splitter was no longer working properly and my local farm guru said the pump was worn out. I installed a new 2 stage pump, new filter, and fluid, connected everything up and it still doesn"t work. It will push against a log (that should be a piece of cake) for just a bit, then stall the engine, as if it doesn,t hunker down into that second stage. Anyone have any ideas on this problem?

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plowboy 1

08-22-2007 17:59:16




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 11:05:06  
Hey Pancho, there is a company out your way that can help with this sort of thing. Apkin Steel.



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onefarmer

08-22-2007 11:17:52




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 Pancho, Sorry for the hijacked thread in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 11:05:06  
Pancho,

Keep up up to date on your issue. We'll keep at for you.

If you find the problem let us know. May help one of us in the future



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El Toro

08-22-2007 15:54:07




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 Re: Pancho, Sorry for the hijacked thread in reply to onefarmer, 08-22-2007 11:17:52  
Hi Jon, That engine shouldn't stall even if he runs the cylinders's piston all the way out and holds the control valve in the extend position. That's when I found the problem on my splitter when it wouldn't downshift into the second stage. The pressure wasn't high enough and I tried to adjust the pressure higher and it never changed. When I installed the 4 bolts in the pump
it almost pegged the pressure gauge. Very close tolerances on those pumps. Northern Hydraulics gave me another pump, but it was the same until I called the pump company. Need to follow those instructions. Hal

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onefarmer

08-23-2007 06:18:57




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 Re: Pancho, Sorry for the hijacked thread in reply to El Toro, 08-22-2007 15:54:07  
Hi Hal,
I've never used a splitter with a pump before. So no experience. I always hooked to a tractor. I would think there would be a pressure relief, or something, so the engine wouldn't stall. Thats why I was thinking the engine had an issue. Like it would stall as it makes the transition from part throttle, to wide open. Like a carbed car with a bad accelarator pump.

If I'm thinking correct you needed all four bolts in the pump mount or the pump case would twist just enough to bind the valve so the pump wouldn't kick down to the 2nd stage?

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El Toro

08-21-2007 17:47:01




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 11:05:06  
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Does your engine have a fuel filter? It may be plugged or the carburetor may be dirty. Hal
PS: I had a problem with the splitter I built as it wouldn't drop down into the second stage. It wasn't the pump it was because I didn't use 4 bolts when installing the pump.

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onefarmer

08-22-2007 06:15:39




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to El Toro, 08-21-2007 17:47:01  
Hal that is a nice looking Pinto in the background!! Is the pic current? I like Pintos, working on restoring one now. With all the Camaros and Mustangs used up or restored Pinto seems be be increasing in popularity.



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onefarmer

08-22-2007 09:22:03




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to onefarmer, 08-22-2007 06:15:39  
""I forget the idiot that put the bad mouth on the Corvairs and the Pintos. He never mentioned the
Mustangs and their gas tank is the same area. Hal ""

Mr "always run for prez and never get elected" Nader.

No wonder it looks so good, it was still new.

Pinto was a fine car in it's day and still is. That little 2.3 has been in many other cars and even Rangers and became a 2.5 eventully. I also know about changing timing belts, had to do one on the freeway in GA on the way to FL. Sure glad I had my tools with me. I took my '77 to over 200k before I stopped driving it.

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El Toro

08-22-2007 10:04:09




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to onefarmer, 08-22-2007 09:22:03  
Ralph Nader is the one. Good thing he never made it to the White House. Hal



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El Toro

08-22-2007 07:44:36




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to onefarmer, 08-22-2007 06:15:39  
Hi Jon, That picture was taken in 1982 when I finished the log splitter. The car is a cousin to the Pinto. It's a Mercury Bobcat. It had the
V6 engine and my wife liked those little cars. We probably had 4 Pintos over the years I still have the procedure for installing those timing belts. When our daughter started driving we bought her a 1966 Mustang with a stick shift and since she never learn to drive on a stick shift she wouldn't drive it, so my wife liked the Mustang and we kept it. It started to foul out the plugs and I used a bore scope light from work and found 3 or 4 cylinders wet in the combustion chambers and heavy deposits of carbon. I tore the engine down and carbon was packed in the rings and under the valves. Wih a set of rings, rod bearings and valve job it ran like new. I sanded it out and had it painted later by a local body shop. I put a new clutch in too.

Our daughter wanted me look for a car with auto transmission and I found a Pinto with low miles
and the owner brought the car out to our home and I had her to drive it and she bought it since she
was working for the Federal Gov. I forget if was 1971 or 72. She quit the Gov in 1975 and started college and she graduated in 1977 with an AA in nursing and started working in Baltimore and was driving 75 miles a day and she put a lot of miles on that Pinto. Then I found a 1974 Pinto with low miles and she bought it and I sold the first
Pinto. I told her to buy a set of Michelin tires for it so she had a set put on and when she had about 50k miles on them I told her to get a new set and I sold the old tires since they had lots of tread. She now drives a Hyundai Sante Fe
and is still in nursing. She lives near Baltimore
and has her own home and she never married. She did get her BS and MS in nursing and her master's in public health over the years.

I forget the idiot that put the bad mouth on the Corvairs and the Pintos. He never mentioned the
Mustangs and their gas tank is the same area. Hal

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Kip2

08-22-2007 10:11:12




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to El Toro, 08-22-2007 07:44:36  
You got her number handy



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johns48jdb

08-21-2007 14:01:37




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 11:05:06  
what ever the problem is it is something different than what you've replaced. i'd disconnect all the hoses and see if something has gotten in one of them and stopped it up or its coming apart on the inside and blocking flow. do you have a clutch of some kind built into it. is it slipping. does the motor labot when it hits the wood or just keep running the same. if its running the same i'd say that you have a valve that isn't working properly that stops sending the flow of oil to the cylinder when it senses overload and returns the fluid to the reservior.

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pancho

08-21-2007 17:15:10




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to johns48jdb, 08-21-2007 14:01:37  
The cylinder moves properly with no load. Engine runs fine. Once a load is encountered, the engine labors, slows down and stalls. This has happened in the past with real knotty, impossible to split stuff. But now it is happening with straight grained ash !!!!! !!!



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onefarmer

08-21-2007 11:55:59




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 11:05:06  
How is the B&S engine? Is it having trouble pulling a load? Or at least making the transition from free running/light load to WOT heavy load.



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pancho

08-21-2007 17:18:21




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to onefarmer, 08-21-2007 11:55:59  
It runs well with no load. As soon as a load is encountered, it labors, slows and stalls. I don't think it's the engine.



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onefarmer

08-22-2007 06:21:48




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 17:18:21  
You could get a 0-3000psi gauge and install it so you can see what king of pressure your building when the engine starts laboring and stalls.



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pancho

08-21-2007 11:23:48




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 Re: woods splitter hydraulics question in reply to pancho, 08-21-2007 11:05:06  
I would like to add that the splitter is a stand alone unit, running on a Briggs & Straton engine.



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