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Lincoln

08-19-2007 07:24:11




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I am in the market for a 3 pt mounted disk mower. I have looked at a New Idea, CaseIH, New Holland, and a Kuhn. The one thing I'm looking for is how hard are they to work on. I've heard that the Kuhns are a nightmare to replace bearings in. I like the look of the New Holland 462 and 463. How much hp does it take to run one of these mowers. Thanks




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sammy the RED

08-20-2007 21:32:07




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 Re: Which disc mower in reply to JW in NH, 08-19-2007 07:24:11  
New Idea ! third party image third party image third party image

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KEH

08-19-2007 15:47:11




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 Re: Which disc mower in reply to Lincoln, 08-19-2007 07:24:11  

If at all possible I would get a new mower. Working on disc mowers is time consuming and expensive. The gear bed, run in oil cutter bars are particularly expensive. The Kuhn is the best of the gear bed mowers IMO and I have worked on them. I have a Vicon CM2400 which cuts great. However, I bought it used and had to replace the gear box. Common failings on these types of mowers are that some times the seal in the bottom of the gear box fails and leaks oil into the cutterbar. I've seen this on a Vicon and a Kuhn. This causes gear box failure and if enough metal gets into the cutterbar it can cause it to fail. If this happens the mower is too expensive to repair. So if you are looking at used ones check the oil and insist on hearing it run.

Not familiar with the New Idea, but if it is recent I think it is the same as the Hesston ansd Massey Fergueson sold by AGCO. If so it is a shaft drive mower and repairs may be simpler because the cutterbar is in seperate segments which may be replaced or repaired indivdually. The Vermeer mowers are of this type of design. I recently bit the bullet and bought a new Vermeer and love it. The shaft drive designs make use of sealed bearings and grease packing which, according to Hay Dr, require less horse power because the cutterbar is not pumping oil back and forth with the gears.
As sthe other post said, you need a heavy enough tractor to handle the weight of the mower, especially with the bar upright. Sharp turns with the mower up and a light tractor make turnovers possible. If the front end is a little light the tractor will not make sharp left turns because the front wheels will push. I always figured a 5000 Ford would make an ideal tractor for a 9 foot disc mower but I've never owned one.
Finally, whatever kind you get I recommend changing the gear oil at the beginning of each season.

KEH

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RodInNS

08-20-2007 09:18:50




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 Re: Which disc mower in reply to KEH, 08-19-2007 15:47:11  
I ran a NH465/Kuhn GMD77HD on a 5610 a little bit. It ran the mower OK, but it was none too much. If you wanted to move, you wanted more power. We always ran it on our 7710, and baled with the 5610 since the 7710 wasn't well suited to baling (visibility)... It could cruise with the mower. Actually, 75 horse is about right on that mower. It'll cruise anywhere, but it won't smoke the belts as bad when the outer disc binds up. The 7710 (mine) will take the belts out without so much as lugging...
The 5610 could handle it OK for stability so long as you're careful... but a green operator would want front weight for the hills we have.

Rod

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dakenredd

08-19-2007 13:48:30




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 Re: Which disc mower in reply to Lincoln, 08-19-2007 07:24:11  
I have a CM240 Vicon that has been a good machine. This one has 3 blades per spinner.



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RodInNS

08-19-2007 08:20:27




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 Re: Which disc mower in reply to Lincoln, 08-19-2007 07:24:11  
Did anyone tell you who made the NH 462 and 463? 'Twas Kuhn...
If you're looking for the best cutterbar, my opinion is Kuhn.
If you're looking at the newer bars, then the Kuhn bar is somewhat modulated now so that you can replace spindles and their bearings without splitting it apart. However, the older bars like the GMD (which is what the 462 and 463 are) are a lot of work to take apart, and there's not much you can do without taking them apart that I know of... but I've never been into one of those bars...
If you're looking at the older mowers from the 80's and early to mid 90's, then I believe all the Deere and NH models from that range were Kuhn GMD series mowers, some high spec, and some were low spec...

That said, something of the 463 NH range would want 40-50 hp to work with. You need that much tractor to keep it upright without a lot of ballast, and you'll need that power to make it cruise (at least 50). I'm not saying it can't be run with less in certain crops, but to get the speed adavantage of a disc mower, you need power.

Rod

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havvey

08-19-2007 08:16:50




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 Re: Which disc mower in reply to Lincoln, 08-19-2007 07:24:11  
The fort sitrex ones are good and much cheaper sweet farm equipment in kentucky sells them. All disc mowers are labor intense to work on (cutterbar). Used: i would compare new price and evaluate the wear big time.



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Hay DR

08-19-2007 11:42:52




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 Fort Disc Mowers in reply to havvey, 08-19-2007 08:16:50  
Fort and Sitrex have no connection. The Sitrex cutterbar is made by Comer and the Fort cutterbar is made by MBS. The Sitrex make the economy NH mowers.
Fort is a member company of ARGO owned by the Morra family. You will soon find Fort mowers and parts hard to get because Fort has pulled out of the USA market. If you don't believe me call these distributors; Darrell Harpe, Buy Smart, WAC, Lovet & Tharp and H.Welchel concerning mowers and parts. The Morra mowers sold by Agri-Supply do have the same cutterbars but have a different style hitch.

BRUSSELS, Aug 17 (SNS) � The European Commission said the deadline for its inquiry into Agco Corp.'s (AG), a major maker and seller of farm machinery, proposed acquisition for a major equity stake in Laverda-S.p.A unit of Argo S.p.A is set for this September 14.
As reported last June 25, Agco said agreed to acquire a 50 per cent stake in the Italy-based Laverda-S.p.A unit of Argo S.p.A, a privately held maker and seller of farm tractors based in Italy, for undisclosed terms.

The acquisition is intended to expand the company's harvest machinery portfolio, Agco said. It follows a statement two years ago by Agco Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Martin Richenhagen that the company would "deploy all the resources necessary to become a world leader in harvesting technology."

Laverda, which has produced combine harvesters for over 50 years and agricultural machinery and equipment since 1873, has previously manufactured mid-range combines for Agco's Massey Ferguson, Fendt and Challenger brands for distribution in Europe, Africa and the Middle East since 2004, at its facility and headquarters in Breganze, Italy, Agco said.

Agco also said its joint stake in the company with Argo will include Laverda's Fella-Werke GMBH, a German manufacturer of grass and hay machinery, and Laverda's 50 per cent stake in Gallignani S.p.A, an Italian manufacturer of balers.

"In particular, the integration of Fella and Gallignani provides Argo with direct access to key remaining products to enhance its harvesting offer," Gary Collar, Agco's senior vice president and general manager for Europe, Africa and Middle East, said.

It is not known if Fort was included in the sale of Laverda.

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