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Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO?

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JBMac

08-17-2007 09:39:33




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Hey Folks,

Just got in my free manuals from vermeer on this baler. What a great service. I'm a little confused about the gearbox. My MF 175 is probably marginal for this machine, as it calls for 70 drawbar hp. It says I can turn the gearbox orientation on marginal tractors. I've seen this discussion before but can't find it. Would I want to run it as a 1000 rpm? It would slow the baler but but make the tractor work less? Or is a 175 just not enough. I'm already going to have to add another set of remotes as-is. Thanks for any input.

John

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newbie haymaker

08-18-2007 14:44:21




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to JBMac, 08-17-2007 09:39:33  
i run a vermeer 605 f with a zetor 62 horse four wheel drive on 540pto without any problems.



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Don-Wi

08-17-2007 23:34:50




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to JBMac, 08-17-2007 09:39:33  
A 175 should have enough to run a round baler, but like the others say just don't go so big. You still need to be able to pick them up and a larger bale is much harder to lift with anything.

If I remember right, doesn't your baler have the 1000 rpm shaft right now? I would switch it to the 540, or keep it on 540 if that's what it's set up for now, and try it that way. A slow running baler makes for a long day. I'd rather slow my ground speed and keep the baler spinning at the right speed.

A 175 probably is marginal like the manual says, but I would think it should work ok. The few times we've used a round baler was on our 285. It's got probably 15 HP on your 175, but it's a great baling tractor with plenty of power, no matter if it's rounds or small squares.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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JBMac

08-18-2007 07:22:46




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to Don-Wi, 08-17-2007 23:34:50  
Morning,

Thank ya'll for the help. I haven't actually gotten to use the baler yet, kinda doing some preventative maintenance on it right now. When I do cut, I'll see how it works in it's current set-up and go from there. Now I either have to get a salvaged dual spool remotes set up. Or, does anyone think I could use the modular valve on the baler that sent hydraulics to the bale ejector (not there anymore) to run the hydraulic tie cylinder). I assume it works like a solenoid, I could run a switch to the tractor and use the one set of remotes I do have. I don't think my wife is going to let me spend too much more money. Wait till she sees the money roll in from this 20 acre hay operation!

Thanks,

John

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dobber

08-17-2007 12:01:20




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to JBMac, 08-17-2007 09:39:33  
If you have 1000 shaft and box on baler and your tractor has 1000 it will work fine. We ran a big NH on a JD 2510 D about same hp and worked ok just rolled heavy hay in 5' or 5.5' bales but could put straw in 6' easy.



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TimS in Mo

08-17-2007 12:36:39




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to dobber, 08-17-2007 12:01:20  
What the original poster was talking about was you can switch the input gear box on some of the vermeer balers around for 540 vs 1000 rpm depending on the output speed of your pto.

Or...if you are a bit short on hp and have a 540 pto, you switch the baler gear box to the 1000 rpm position and the baler turns slower off your tractors 540 pto, but uses less hp.....



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Allan In NE

08-17-2007 10:36:37




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to JBMac, 08-17-2007 09:39:33  
Have I got this straight?

You have a 540 tractor and a 540 baler. Then, you want to switch both over to 1,000 so it will run better?

You're givin' me a headache, John. Back 'er up, hook it up and go bale hay. :>)

Allan



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TimS in Mo

08-17-2007 09:44:01




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to JBMac, 08-17-2007 09:39:33  
I'd wait until you run it a bit before switching the gear box, the 605H I have calls for 57 hp so I would think you can run on the tractor you have. You can always drop the bale tension a bit or not roll the bales quite as big if the tractor starts really lugging to much.



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Chuck Herrick

08-17-2007 11:24:22




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 Re: Vermeer 604J- 540 or 1000 PTO? in reply to TimS in Mo, 08-17-2007 09:44:01  
Tim is right ... decrease the size of the bales. If that baler will make 6" bales, stop at 5.5".



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