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605 f baler problems (operator error)

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newbie haymaker

08-08-2007 17:33:07

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Having problems with keeping gate latch closed while rolling. As soon as i get a 2ft bale going the gate latch releases and will not roll any more hay onto existing roll, just passes through. any suggestions?

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Artudo Medina

08-09-2007 17:47:46

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

Maybe dis weel elp

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newbie haymaker

08-09-2007 19:43:21

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to Artudo Medina, 08-09-2007 17:47:46

thanks for the link.

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newbie haymaker

08-09-2007 09:14:58

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

Thanks for all the advice. After reading through all suggestions, went out and looked everything over and found the axle that the gate latches was bent from bouncing hard down on the ground. that loosened up the rollers and made latching easier. went into field and tried rolling again and found out that when i hit a large bump gate pops open. I am going to try getting larger springs to hold rollers closed.

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Hay DR

08-08-2007 21:49:34

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

Check and see if the tail gate is closing evenly where both sided hit at the same time. If the latches are fully going down over the catch then you have a bad cushion valve, a tractor bleed by problem or a gate cylinder needs repacking. The easiest way to check this is to pull the safety lock when the baler is empty. If the gate comes open while baling and the safety lock is engaged then it's either the gate cylinders or a misaligned latch. If the gate stays closed then change the cushion valve out. The cushion valve is a square valve located inside the tongue of the baler. The tractor is the last thing to check.

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vernMN

08-08-2007 21:07:15

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

I had trouble with my 605H Vermeer. The gate would not latch sometimes and same as you, the small roll formed and then the gate opend and all stop. My problem was a sprung back gate. I would always have to get off the tractor and then by hand lift the gate a bit and slam shut making sure the rollers locked. I later fixed the gate by spring it back into shape and all works well now. The cause of the problem I think was dropping the gate too soon after ejecting a bale and catching the gate on the bale. This bent the gate out of position. I bought the baler used and had trouble from the beginning. Now works fine. So check if you have some distortion to the gate structure which keeps it from locking. The cylinders will not hold it shut.

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NEIADan

08-08-2007 19:56:14

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

I think you are getting some really good advice here. You didn't mention what tractor you are using. We ran one of those for over 30,000 bales and had the problem arise with different tractors over the years. The remote valves onthe tractors always turned out to be the culbrit. Ussually just switched hoses but once on a 1085 MF the whole selector valve cracked and had pressure beyond. I would get a pressure gauge and plug into your outlets to check for pressure building when the valve isn't operated.
Good luck

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bison

08-08-2007 19:43:32

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

phone vermeer, # 800-370-3659: ask for technical support, they are very helpfull.

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JM in Merit

08-08-2007 18:41:33

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

Just a thought trying reversing the hoses on your tractor, like just change the hoses where they connect up to.

Make sure the lock is going all the way to lock postion on the gate.

Just curious also if you locked it in place and then removed lines from tractor (keep them tied up where they will not get damaged from pto or dragging ground or sucked into the pickup chamber) and run it and see if gate comes open then.
When I had mine sometimes a piece of hay would get on the locks and would have to get off tractor and clean it, also make sure roller locks are able to turn.

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newbie haymaker

08-08-2007 19:12:48

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to JM in Merit, 08-08-2007 18:41:33

I have tried switching hoses, undoing hoses, and closing control valve. Would stronger springs on roller wheels solve my problem. That is the only thing i can think of. Also tried tieing shut white rope. Pressure from some where is pushing it open.

thanks for your replies

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Kanuck

08-08-2007 21:03:24

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 19:12:48

I had the same problem with my MF1560. It turned out that there was a slight twist in my rear gate that would unlatch when the bale got bigger and running over rough ground. A little monkeying around with a 4x4 post jamed under one side of the gate when closing and I was able to straighten it. It now closes evenly with a loud thunk and has not popped open since. also my gate latch rollers are siezed solid but it still stays locked. I think I twisted the rear gate when I closed it with a just made bale in the way. If you are getting a lot of hay inside your belts you can clean them out a little by opening and closing the gate a few times with the pto engaged after dropping off a bale. A little time consuming but it keeps my belts running straighter.

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KEH

08-08-2007 17:55:51

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 17:33:07

Possible control valve problems on tractor, possibly clump of hay keeping gate from closing properly. Don't work on baler with gate up unless you have it blocked. I don't trust the deal where you close a valve on the hydraulics to lock the gate up. You are trusting the strength of old hoses when you do that. I don't recall anything in the baler hydraulic circuits that would cause the problem. Try bumping the hydraulic lever closed a few times during the baling cycle to see if you can keep the gate shut. It is possible that the o rings in the cylinders are leaking but I think this problem would show up when raising the gate. Does the gate seem to lift slowly? When I used an F baler it took 2 hydraulic outlets, one of which was for the wrapping control. My tractor had only one outlet so I used a diverter valve which had to be replaced. If you have one ot these maybe it is bad.

Sorry for disorganized post, hope this helps.

KEH

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newbie haymaker

08-08-2007 18:17:52

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to KEH, 08-08-2007 17:55:51

the hydraulic cilynders are completely closed but the rollers on the gate come off of the keepers down at the axles. there seems to be a lot of hay on the wrong sides of the belts and a mini roll in front of the the main roller

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KEH

08-08-2007 18:58:53

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Re: 605 f baler problems (operator error) in reply to newbie haymaker, 08-08-2007 18:17:52

Good advice from JM.

I think the mini roll you are referring to has 4 flaps on it whose puropse is to keep hay from climbing up the belts in front. Needs to have flaps in good condition. This, however, does not help with the gate problem. Maybe you could get someone to drive the tractor while you walked along side and watched the locks. Maybe the manual says something about this problem.

KEH

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