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Jim S

08-08-2007 02:03:01

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we have a nh 275 which is causing me some grief & am thinking of getting a newer baler.I want a baler that makes consistent length & square sided bales & of course one that never misses a knot.From what I read on this discussion board it seems that jd balers are better than most.Please help me with any opnions of different makes & models

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ohio

08-13-2007 14:39:16

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

i have a j.d. 214t. it took a little work to get it where it is, but it will make 100# bales. never pulled one out of a nh baler that was worth putting in the barn. good for selling, not so much for putting up.

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haymaster

08-09-2007 20:13:39

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

Any color baler that craps out a square bale is a good one. I've worked on 'em all and with the exception of the massey ferguson with the planetary knotters, Ive always been able to fix 'em. Banana bales are caused mostly by lack of side resistance in the bale chamber. Most balers have holes drilled in them for extra resistor wedges or plates. Most folks just crank down on the springs and too much will cause this problem. Bad knots are not always caused by knotters, remember to check the way the twine is being brought to the knotters first. tucker fingers,hay dogs, needle alignment are all very important factors to a good knot. Most people just start wrenching on the knotters only to get frustrated.

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BC in TN

08-09-2007 05:03:36

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

I have a 50 something year old NH 68 that makes a good bale. My 16 year old and I rebuilt it last year. Some of the "bannana bales" may be just a little operator error and perhaps some liklihood of worn parts or equipment(not properly adjusted).

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Chick

08-14-2007 18:07:33

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Re: square balers in reply to BC in TN, 08-09-2007 05:03:36

Banana bales seem to be a characteristic of New Holland balers. I have added wedges on the long side and replaced hay dogs and adjusted feeder forks. Not a whole lot of success. I have had NH 69, NH 269 and a NH 276, and all 3 have same problem. The tighter you make the bale, they better it gets, but is not a solution. Please forward any tips!

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farmerweber in PA

08-08-2007 19:01:43

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

Never had any experience with Deere & Co. but we've only had 2 NH since the late 50's.Grandad bought a 66 with a 2 cyl. Wisconsin.It went through a fire in 1976.He put a new wadboard in it and changed it over to PTO drive.We finally sold it to a neighbor in the early 90's and got a NH 316.That has been a good baler too.Guys on the wagon have trouble keeping up sometimes.Only other brand I ever had any experience with was a couple of the neighbors had older IH balers.I bleed red but I would not give a wooden nickle for one of those balers.

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WyoDave

08-08-2007 18:45:49

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

John Deere! I love my 348's, but I'm a bit biased towards Deere. Any late model baler by Deere, NH or Heston is going to be better/faster than any older baler, assuming it hasn't been abused.

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johns48jdb

08-08-2007 13:46:22

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

from what i could see and tell they are all mules. don't know how you got to take a picture of those fokes. i thought they were camera shy.

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Doug in IL

08-08-2007 10:00:55

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

I had a NH276. Got rid of it, for the same reasons, after 2 seasons. Bought Deere's since then. A 338 and a 346. Would never go back to NH. The Deere's actually make bales, not bananas.

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Doug in Amarillo

08-08-2007 09:24:00

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

I have been th ehay mechanic at several equipment dealers over the last 20 years and the best square baler out there is the CaseIH inline baler.It makes a good solid bale and is relatively easy to work on when something does go wrong.

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Hayfarmer

08-08-2007 07:26:26

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

A lot of what you want comes from adjustment on any baler. As parts wear the bale length adjustment gets sloppy andmay bounce causing different length bales. Square sides come from good sharp knives and a well adjusted plunger. I worked for a dealer years ago that sold both NH and JD balers. The NH balers seemed to be a bit more durable and heavier built. This was some 30 years ago and things change. I have an old 280 NH wire that became a parts baler and a 282 twine I use. It makes nice 95 to 100 lb bales if the hay is right. I think the main thing is finding a good baler whether JD or NH that is not too badly worn out and keeping up on adjustments and maintanance.

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Curious George

08-08-2007 06:27:44

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

336 Deere. I am not a NH basher, I love my NH rake, grinder, haybine, mower,chopper,etc. But I never have been impressed with the bale shape of the many NH bales I have bought through the years.

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low budget

08-08-2007 04:48:35

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

People square off on the JD vs NH baler debate just about like the JD vs IH tractor debate. Personally I feel the JD makes a better bale, but from reading this forum I've learned you can make a nice bale with a NH. The knotters are about identical so either should tie if adjusted properly and not wore out. One thing I dont like about the NH baler is they seem to use an aweful amount of sealed bearings that burn up at the worst time.

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El Toro

08-08-2007 04:12:23

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Re: square balers in reply to Jim S, 08-08-2007 02:03:01

Here's someone else that likes JD balers. Hal

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Mr Bob

08-08-2007 15:26:36

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Re: square balers in reply to El Toro, 08-08-2007 04:12:23

One thing as I see it; these guys don't help pay for the publicroads like we have to, yet they use them. When they start paying their fair share of taxes and are willing to serve in the military and on police and fire departments, all of whom protect their azzes, I'll develop a more favorable opinion of them. We've become infested with them around here the last few years. They act like everyone else "owes" them, are very inconsiderate, rude, and worst of all they usually smell bad. When I was working at IGA, I got a first hand knowledge of them which doesn't set well with me. I will not allow them on my property.

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jd9295

08-09-2007 17:28:00

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Re: square balers in reply to Mr Bob, 08-08-2007 15:26:36

Bob there are some of them that (keep) to themselves, what some folks call rude.
Ive learned that they typicaly dont (trust) until they know you, kinda like anyone else.
I deal with the amish here all the time, feed, harness, saddle work, veggies, and mules.
They pay taxes, I thought they didnt and asked and the feed mill boy showed me.
Sorry you have a bad impression, I call many of them friends and know i can call on them anytime for help and will get it.
Oh and yeah, they do need a little bo control, but religion keeps them from deodorant

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tim[in]

08-09-2007 14:23:05

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Re: square balers in reply to Mr Bob, 08-08-2007 15:26:36

From the amish i've known in milroy ,in and parke county ,IN i couldnt say a bad word about them. Everybody smells when they sweat working hard.All i've ever met only wanted to work for a living nad be left alone by the govt. which is what most of us want.When they pay someone to drive them spomewhere , they are paying road taxes . Like wise when they buy lp gas to heat homes, fuel to run engines on the farm and since they dont need fancy paved roads. For that matter my farm is on a unpaved road and i prefer it. Less cost, should equal less staxes.They pay social security which they will never benefit from.The same with workmens comp.They do serve in rural fire departments when the rules let them. {often it is the high school diploma that keeps them from serving. Since they have not been treated the best by govts, most, probably like a lot of people,dont really care too much about which govt. is ruling over them since one evil is pretty much the same as another. I believe there have been some who didnt stay in the religion that have served in the military and probably police too.The reason we can buy small equipment today is due to them.!Making brand new plows,manure spreaders,etc.No one is perfect, but if i got to choose neighbors i would choose them.

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sorry

08-09-2007 05:20:30

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Re: square balers in reply to Mr Bob, 08-08-2007 15:26:36

seems like your post is off topic. Take it where it belongs

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J Hikemper

08-08-2007 13:35:12

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Re: square balers in reply to El Toro, 08-08-2007 04:12:23

Wonder if they have brakes on that horse drawn Rounbaler D John Deere outfit ,,With the hills Around here , , I am afraid someone would be wadded up at the bottom

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onefarmer

08-08-2007 10:18:13

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Re: square balers in reply to El Toro, 08-08-2007 04:12:23

Hal, I thought it took like 45 horses to pull a round baler. I only see 6 on that one, where are the other 39? lol

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gary tomaszewski

08-08-2007 10:35:30

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Re: square balers in reply to onefarmer, 08-08-2007 10:18:13

Not really an expert, But some of those "horses" look a little like mules.

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onefarmer

08-09-2007 08:21:59

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Re: square balers in reply to gary tomaszewski, 08-08-2007 10:35:30

Then they really don't have enough horse power. LOL

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KEH

08-08-2007 18:03:48

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Re: square balers in reply to gary tomaszewski, 08-08-2007 10:35:30

Those are mules.

For what it's worth, a NH super 77 did not make banana bales.

KEH

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Rexalot

08-11-2007 16:07:49

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Re: square balers in reply to GeneMO, 08-09-2007 20:25:30

If your not making consistent length bales, check to see if the "teeth" in the metering wheel are worn out. This is the roller that pushes the knotter trip arm up as the bale is pushed out of the chamber. Cheap part, easy replacement. It's also possible that there isn't enough tension against the trip arm. Again, easy adjustment.

I would also recommend sharpening your plunger knife or replacing it. Your haydog springs are all good to right? Add the maximum number of wedges (4) and be willing to adjust the bale tensioners. Set your bale tension, then tighten down the side (or loosen the opposite) that corresponds to the long side of the bale until it squares up.

It's a myth that both tensioners have to be set the same. You need to do what you need to do to make the bale square.

Red or green color doesn't matter. Either will make a good bale or a bad one. It's all about how it's setup and the condition it's in.

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