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Would you purchase a NH 310 again?

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dweitzel

07-28-2007 19:57:08




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Looking at a NH 310 baler at a NH dealer. New PTO u joints, new rollers on the feed side, chains in good shape, somewhat new paint, needles are not welded or bent. Was a trade in on a larger capacity baler.

My questions are: Some people love these things and some hate them. Will this hold up to about 2000 bales a year for a long time?

I see that they should be run under speed about 20%, would you agree.

Will this work with a 36 HP diesel CUT, 4wd weighing about 4500 lbs?

If you've used one, would you buy another one? Dealer asking $2700. I see prices on the 310 around $3600 from other dealers in my area. Would you jump on this or keep looking?

Thanks. Dw.

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haymaster

08-16-2007 08:02:14




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
DW,
Just for comparison sake, I run a NH 315 with a JD 4020 diesel, 95 HP tractor and I still get those "surges". And yes, I run the baler 20% below recommended speed, about 60-65 strokes per minute. I had a NH 278 prior to that and ran it too fast and the feeder assembly blew apart and it sits outside for a parts baler now. I purchased the NH 315 for $2000 and it went through the NH shop and got a plunger arm, knives and other fine tuning and it works like a champ. I would suggest a 50 hp minumum tractor.

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Dweitzel

08-16-2007 09:07:26




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to haymaster, 08-16-2007 08:02:14  
Haymaster, thanks for the insight. I'm just trying to get by for a year or 2. I did purchase the NH 310. Dealer went through it. All is suppose to be "field ready" they adjusted the knotters and gave me their baler person for a few minutes to go through the adjustments/timing issues I might encounter.

Best price I could negotiate was $2650. Most 310's in the paper or other dealers are still being listed around $3500.

I'll try it with my little tractor for hopefully a minor cutting this fall to get my feet wet. Hopefully I can inch along until next year and get my financial situation squared away and maybe upgrade to a larger tractor. The 4020 is actually what I've been looking at!

I'll take it easy on the baler/tractor and just take my time. Looks like I maybe able to finish this year and hopefully next year then plan for some upgrades if all goes well.

Dw

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mike jenezon

07-29-2007 21:50:33




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
If your not going to pull a wagon or run a kicker that is plenty of tractor even in fairly steep ground . I bought one about 3 years ago and pull it with a 310 long about 5000#s 32 horse , in steep fields i can pull it faster than the baler can bale this is making 50# bales in grass hay . the only thing i would worry about is if the drive train in the tractor can or will handle the abuse of a baler . good luck mike

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dweitzel

07-30-2007 04:53:16




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to mike jenezon, 07-29-2007 21:50:33  
Mike, I guess I didn't think about the strain on the PTO driveline and the "pulses". I re-read the other posts and found that was mentioned before but I didn't pick up on it. I use this thing pretty hard and it's been pretty solid so far. I have noticed that when cutting brush with a 5' rotary cutter, I replaced the shear pin with I think a grade 5 pin with the dealer's approval and noticed that if I hit a large pile of dirt grounding the blades, that the tractor will slow down to almost stalling till I pull the 3-point lever up. Would this "strain" be the same or less on the pto driveline than operating a baler? Is the baler pulse there every rotation of the plunger or is it there only when very heavy grass load goes in the chamber or a jamb occurs in the bale chamber? If the "bad pulse" is there on every cycle of the plunger, then as you and others here have said, I may implode this tractor and that would not be a good thing. Did I miss your statement, or are you or anyone else on the site using a CUT similar to mine with a comparable baler doing just grass hay up to about 2000 bales a year?

Dave

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RodInNS

07-30-2007 05:10:39




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-30-2007 04:53:16  
A steady load like a rotary mower isn't so bad on a driveline. IT could probably take a 50% overload and be no worse for the wear. IT's the shocks that break things. Balers, sickle mower conditioners, rock rakes and a few other choice pieces will place some big shocks on the system at times, and that's what's hard on stuff. Your tractor may take it, it may not. I know a lot of compact utilities are not really built to take it. They're made to run mowers and that type work you're doing with it...

Rod

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dweitzel

07-29-2007 16:50:28




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
Found this at:

Link

Looks like the average tractor usage should be 7 to 25 pto HP with a 54 HP tractor optimal. This appears to be an average consumption baler and not a high capacity. Looks like I may be a little under powered if I had some large hills, but I think the slight rolling hills that I have may work. My CUT weighs over 5000 lbs with liquid filled rear tires, FEL and AG tires all around. This Cub Cadet was built by Mitshubitshi back in 1999 when all parts were cast iron. It is also 4 wheel drive. I pulled a 10' KBA disk with the wheels all the way up this afternoon. Most of the time it pulled it fine in high range 1st or 2nd gear. On the steeper hills I put it in low range 4th and it pulled fine.

Anyone else have this baler and can chime in? I've not made my mind up yet, just want to hear from those that have baled with this machine and possibly their tractor size and weights.

Thanks. - Dw

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POWER CONSUMPTION
Power Take-off Requirements: FIGURE 4 shows typical instantaneous power take.off requirements for the New Holland 310. Power requirements fluctuated from 0 to 28 kW (0 to 38 hp) on each plunger stroke. Due to these wide power fluctuations, average power requirements were less than instantaneous requirements, varying from 5 to 19 kW (7 to 25 hp) over a full range of feedrates. FIGURE 5 shows the average power take-off requirements at various feedrates in alfalfa and
wheat straw.

Tractor size: The manufacturer recommended that 2 to 3 plow (about 25 kW) (35 hp) tractor be used. Average power take-off requirements were usually less than 19 kW (25 hp) and power required to pull the baler on level ground was usually less. than 4 kW (5 hp). A 40 kW (54 hp) tractor was, however,
needed to fully utilize baler capacity in soft or hilly fields and to overcome the power fluctuations illustrated in FIGURE 4.

Specific Capacity: Specific capacity is a measure of how efficiently a machine performs a task. A high specific capacity indicates efficient energy use while Iow specific capacity indicates inefficient operation. The specific capacity of the New Holland 310 varied from 0.9 to 1.2 t/kW.h (0.7 to 1.0 ton/hp.h) in alfalfa and from 0.6 to 0.8 t/kW.h (0.5 to 0.7 ton/hp.h) in wheat straw. This compares to an average specific capacity of 0.5 t/kW.h (0.4 ton/hp.h) for large round balers in alfalfa. These values represent average conditions and not peak outputs.

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RodInNS

07-29-2007 19:19:49




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-29-2007 16:50:28  
The thing you'll have to watch out for is the power pulses of that baler when you get a slug on the plunger. A big tractor can power thorough it. Yours will rely on the baler flywheel to absorb that shock and keep things turning because the tractor won't.
The other factor to consider is that the older utility tractors wer built heavier and they'd take some of that punishment. At worst they'd just stall if they didn't have the power. The CUT will not have the build in it's driveline to absorb those shocks and you risk breaking something because the tractor is going to be the weakest link in the system.
That said, you may get along just fine.... but I'd be careful with it.

Rod

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Lincoln

07-29-2007 12:06:48




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
I know dealers are higher, but I saw a real nice NH 310 sell a few weeks ago at an auction for $1300.



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RodInNS

07-29-2007 08:30:40




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
I know very little about that baler. I'll say this though.... Check to see if it has an adjustable feed baffle that can vary the size of the opening into the bale chamber. I'm fairly sure that the 310 is a fairly large capacity baler that requires a good bit more tractor that you have.
What I would worry about is that if you simply try to drive slow, or work on small rows to ease the strain on the tractor, then you may end up with mis-shapen bales. The feed opening generally needs to be kept fairly full relative to it's size in order to fill the left side of the bale properly. If it's not kept full, you get bananna bales...
That would be a lot of baler for your tractor.
Otherwise, I don't think I'd worry about trying to run a couple thousand a year through it.

Rod

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Cliff Neubauer

07-29-2007 07:40:41




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
We ran a 310 for almost 20 years baling anywhere from 5,000-14,000 bales a year and it did a good job. It may not have been NH's best baler but for what you want to do I think it would be just fine.



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Don-Wi

07-28-2007 21:54:38




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
The compact part would worry me more than the 36 HP part. I've heard some horor stories of compacts that grenade the PTO while running a baler because of the constant pounding from the flywheel and the plunger. Never sen it myself, but something to think about. Others may be able to help you figure that part out if you mention what make/model you own.

I wouldn't be afraid of trying to run 2000 bales/year through almost any baler. Just isn't all that much and unless it's really rough, I'd say any baler can do that in a heart beat.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Dave from MN

07-28-2007 20:10:05




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 Re: Would you purchase a NH 310 again? in reply to dweitzel, 07-28-2007 19:57:08  
I used one here about 3 weeks back. 310 with a kicker. I was really impressed. Only issue I had was the twine breaking all the time after being tied. I am assuming it is a twine issue. It is not mine, but it is in my yard now and I am gonna make an offer on it as the owner has no use for it, I really liked it. I was almost keeping pace running with a newer inline CaseIH baler. The 310 seems to be a pretty high capacity baler. I was running it on an Oliver 880 deisel in fairly thick hay, chuuged along in 2nd high no problem. Right hand turns are hard on the PTO running. Try to stick with turning left in the feilds

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