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almost fire on round baler

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Kanuck

07-27-2007 22:35:50




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While trying to finish up our baling this evening, I noticed a burning smell which I thought was coming from my neighbors burning barrel. It turns out the burning smell was chaff smoldering on our MF 1560 baler (same as a vermeer 604F I believe). I make it a habit to check the bearings on all the rollers for heat with my hand when I stop for a break. Well I guess I must have missed checking the one behind the triple sprocket as this one got hot enough to start the smoldering. Ill be checking these bearings a little more thoroughly from now on thats for sure. Anyway just thought I would pass this on. Have a good one eh?

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Billy McCarver

09-09-2007 20:34:20




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Kanuck, 07-27-2007 22:35:50  
Hi Everyone. The fire I had in my baler was the last straw. I found a local who did custom baling but couldn't get my father to help with the cost so I lost the rest of the field. Regrowth came up through the windrows by time I got the back ordered parts needed and the baler back together. Big problem was in not being able to sell any of the hay I'd already cut and baled. We had so much rain earlier this year that the cattle couldn't eat it fast enough so the farmers who normally bought hay just had their own fields cut and baled. All the farmers in this area have more than twice the hay they need. The fields I have are ready to be cut again and I've run out of money. The backing my father promised has dried up and all I can do at this point is to move all the hay, the equipment and the tractor he bought over to his place and park them so that when the creditors come to seize all my assets, he won't lose anything. I've already hauled all my plows, harrows and another tractor off to a consignment sales place to try to raise some money to pay bills with. I expect that in a couple of months, I'll lose my place, vehicles and whatever else is left to seizures by creditors. Hope you all do better.
Billy McCarver
Wapanucka, Oklahoma

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Billy McCarver

08-11-2007 12:15:47




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Kanuck, 07-27-2007 22:35:50  
Hi all,
Just had a fire in my Vermeer 605F baler that set the bale on fire in the chamber and left a trail of fire in the field as I was baling before I caught on to what was happening. Haven't been into it yet to see what caused the fires as I was busy getting a spray rig connected to another tractor to put out the fires. I lucked out that I'd filled the spray rig with water earlier this spring. I'd dropped the burning bale out of the baler before any damage was caused by fire and was able to put out the fires with the spray rig. I'd set up the rig with a diverter valve so I could use a water hose and spray nozzle. Setup worked very well except for having to take the trans out of gear as 1st gear was too fast to put fires out while moving(ground drive pto). I did find out that a burning sorgum sudan round bale is very difficult to put out as water doesn't penetrate and trying to unroll it or kick it apart is hazardous due to the hay being very hot and flaring up as it is exposed to fresh air. Not been a good experience. I'll post the cause after getting out and going through the baler to see what it was. Expect it is in the pickup or bale roller or starter roller as the fire was low on the right (twine box) side of the baler. Had been smelling something hot for a couple of hours but thought it was chaff getting on tractor exhaust. Know better now. 1st season of haying for me--learning is hard and expensive.
Billy McCarver, Wapanucka, Ok.

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Billy McCarver

08-20-2007 13:06:50




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Billy McCarver, 08-11-2007 12:15:47  
Hello everyone,
Am somewhat confused as I did find a bearing out on the bottom roller of the gate on the left side. How the fire got to the right side to burn there is a mystery to me. Also found the pickup drive belt had a 10 inch section that had burned but no wiser as to the cause as everything turns freely on the pickup. I haven't found any other bearings that are obviously bad and currently plan to reassemble it with new bearings on the bottom roller of the lift gate and a new pickup drive belt. I did locate and buy an infrared temperature sensor device that one can point at an item and get a temp reading. When the baler is back together, I'll let it run at speed for about 10-15 minutes then shut it down and take temp readings on the bearings before going out into the field. Have pretty much lost my windrowed sudan as regrowth is coming up through it. I believe the infrared sensor will be a good buy as it cost about 80 bucks and bearings run about 45 to 90 bucks. I've also found that most of the bearings are impossible to remove without resorting to a cutting torch. This is rather an expensive way to get at a bearing on a multiple use shaft like those used in the pickup, bale roller area of the baler. As I said before, this is my first year and the lessons have been hard on the pocketbook.
Billy McCarver

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Kanuck

08-20-2007 17:41:30




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Billy McCarver, 08-20-2007 13:06:50  
Sorry to hear of your troubles with your baler and glad it didnt turn out too bad. Ive had good luck removeing those bearings with a die grinder with a 2" cutting disk. Just bought a MF 1565 (vermeer 605h) at aution last week and noticed it had some grease nipples on some of the flanges that hold the bearings in place. Got me thinking that if I have to replace a non greaseable type bearing with flange in the future I might try a greaseable bearing, flange set up instead. Maybe it will prolong the bearing life or just start a bigger fire who knows? Anyways, good luck and have a good one eh?

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JM in Merit

07-29-2007 07:18:20




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Kanuck, 07-27-2007 22:35:50  
Fire are common in balers from bearing going out. I have a hand held RF meter I use ( only cost me about 40 dollars) and it beats the heck out of climbing to top to check the bearing or those hard to reach ones. Just aim click and lookat the temp it is showing.
Also I use chain lube instead of oil for lube for my chains, been told using chain lube that if I do have a fire that it will not burn baler up as oil will make a mess of hay and oil and will burn very quickly. I have very little hay chaff around my chains now since swtiching over to chain lube. Chain lube down here not that expense, about 2.50 cents and last me about 150 or so bales or more.

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Kanuck

07-29-2007 09:59:34




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to JM in Merit, 07-29-2007 07:18:20  
Yes I agree with you on the chain lube, it stays put a lot better for sure. I like the sounds of that meter you mentioned for checking temp. I will check into one. Now I know why I see some balers with fire extiguishers mounted on them. Not a bad idea either... Thanks for the tips. Have a good one eh?



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troy21

07-28-2007 11:45:13




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Kanuck, 07-27-2007 22:35:50  
that why i carrie 2 fire ext.. had a fire one and only had one and it ran out.. so now i pack 2 of them..lol



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Gerald J.

07-28-2007 11:04:19




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 Re: almost fire on round baler in reply to Kanuck, 07-27-2007 22:35:50  
Lots of round balers get burnt from failing bearings. And when they ignite a bale in the middle of a field of dry hay, that can make it way too interesting for a while.

Can't leave out a single bearing in the heating check.

Gerald J.



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