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Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales

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Smith1000

07-11-2007 17:43:34




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I bought a used Hesston 5500 Rounder large baler. It does 5X5 bales (occasionally). Are there any modifications or adjustments I can make to this baler to get it to 1. Start bales (it often will not spin the coreto start the bale. Instead it just gets a block of hay that sits there until the pickup becomes completely clogged and then this block has to be ejected). 2. When bales do start (sometimes they do), it will make a partial bale and then slowly stop spinning. Once it stops spinning, it is very difficult to ever get the bale spinning again. Usually, they must be ejected without twine (untied). 3. It clogs very easily even with small windrows in low gear-high idle. 4. A lot of hay passes through up in front of the bale and gets stuck between the belts towards the front.. sometimes this excess hay will not allow the tube for the tie to rotate to center. It must be cleaned out quite often.

I have spent a tremendous amount of time unclogging this baler and driving in circles trying to get it to start a bale. Then, the bales will spin and sometimes stop and will not start spinning again.

Are the belts too loose or the tension springs too loose? This is very frustrating. Possibly, there may be some adjustments that will improve this. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks

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Bret4207

07-14-2007 06:48:16




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Smith1000, 07-11-2007 17:43:34  
A few things I noticed on my 5500. #1- It WILL NOT handle hay that is even remotely wet. It's got to be dry. #2 If you stop the partially formed bale from spinning, Like with a non-live PTO tractor to shift gears, the bale will sort of collapse and get a flat spot. Then it won't roll. #3- On real rough land you can sometimes bounce a flat into a bale and that'll stop it too. Of course if I'd fix that field that wouldn't be a problem. #4- It pays to go through 2 or 3 times a day and remove the short hay that gets lodged between the belts. I don't know that it hurts anything, but why risk it. #5- Plastic twine requires a modified knife setup. Still working on that.

My 5500 is the only round baler I've ever used. I wish it was net wrap, lighter, needed less HP and made a little tighter bale for storage reasons. But for $1200.00, with new belts to boot!, I got a great machine. I run mine with either a Cockshutt 30 (too small really) or an 800 Ford. If I ever get my 811B Case done (gad sleeves are high!) I'll have a better rig.

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Smith1000

07-14-2007 12:01:33




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Bret4207, 07-14-2007 06:48:16  
I have been pulling my 5500 Rounder behind a Super MTA, so I have live hydraulics and a live PTO which is great. It seems to have enough power, but I have only have been making bales about 3/4 size anyway (if I get that far). I have an Allis D17 also, but have not pulled it behind it because it does not have the hydraulics set up to run a 2-way cylinder (yet) to open and close the hatch. From what I read, the baler actually only needs about 27 hp. I think it is rated higher though, maybe 50.

I know what you mean about the short hay that gets lodged between the belts. I have been pulling it out. Have to pull a lot of short hay off the front near the scraper. It seems to drop through there heavily.

Yesterday, I ground some angled hash marks into the fluted roller in the chamber. I primed it and then painted it with some rubberized thick paint. Nice and dry today. I tested it out in the field and it spun the bale instantly. I hit the windrow in 3rd gear with low engine speed. That may have helped, but I think the main thing was the roller now has a surface that provides friction to spin the core. I stopped the bale and restarted with no problems. It seems to be spinning real nice.

The real test will be when I get more hay cut which will be soon. Chance for isolated thunderstorms today and tomorrow, so I have been holding off for now. Thanks for the input.

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smith1000

07-13-2007 09:06:42




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Smith1000, 07-11-2007 17:43:34  
I just worked the fluted roller in the chamber over. I used a hand grinder on it to provide some texture for grip and cleaned off the blunted angle iron. I then ground anglular hash marks in the edge of the wings for some bite (both directions). I primed it lightly with some spray paint and then hit part of it with some rubberized paint. I also ground some lines in the upside of the angled iron. We"ll see if that helps. It was extrememely smooth and polished. I believe it was not catching or gripping the hay (or flipping the hay) like it is supposed to when starting the core spin.

I talked to the guy who used to own it. He said start out in higher gear --3rd or 4th with very lower rpms, maybe 1500. Then hit the windrow and begin weaving. He said it will spin it. He said that once it is spinning, you can gear it down and go whatever speed you want. I have been starting in first thinking it needed time to spin. Seems like starting it in 3rd or 4th would plug it up to me, but I"ll try it. What"s one more plug up.

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Dave Anderson

07-12-2007 17:51:35




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Smith1000, 07-11-2007 17:43:34  
I meant the about 1" round bars that the pickup spring teeth bolt to. I just hooked a come-a-long to the bars and pulled up from the top of the opened bale chamber (with the safeties engaged, of course) I seem to recall having to remove a few pickup guard shields to do this. Also I replaced a couple of these guards that were bent badly. They were pretty cheap, but I think the bars were pretty pricey, thats why I bent them back to straight.

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Smith1000

07-12-2007 19:07:38




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Dave Anderson, 07-12-2007 17:51:35  
I see what you mean. I was looking closely at the pick-up tonight. There are a few spring teeth missing, but the bars look straight. Some of the pickup guard/shields are out of alignment with the rest. I guess they either need to be replaced or bent back. I will try to bend them into position first. Hopefully, they will move.

I adjusted the drive chains-tightened them and adjusted the front stops at the top to put more tension on the belts. Tried to bale some and still couldn"t get a spin going--just a rectangular block compiled until the slip clutch began slipping.

Got to thinking about the fluted roller that is for making the initial core spin within the chamber. It is polished shiney and smooth from hay, but looks like it was painted when new. I think I will hit the wings or angle iron on it with some rubberized paint to provide some friction to grab the hay for the initial spin. Right now, it slides right past the block that builds in the hopper.

I was talking to my neighbor and he said he has had combines with rubberized rollers for friction to spin/move the material. I think the flutted roller, as is now, just has no gripping ability to even begin to spin the hay as it enters the chamber. I plan to paint the tips or wings with the rubberized paint. I have used that stuff on rollers before to create grip/friction. No doubt, the factory paint on the fluted roller originally probably provided some traction.

The upward movement of the belts at the back of the chamber is the other part of the spin. It is to pull the material upward and then it falls forward and hits the spinning fluted roller. The ribbing on the belts is fairly good. I think I"ll mess with the fluted roller first which is blunt and smooth. Maybe that will be enough to get it going.

Thanks for the input. I definitely need to replace the missing teeth and bend the guards out to match the others.

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troy21

07-11-2007 19:54:03




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Smith1000, 07-11-2007 17:43:34  
i have one of these balers so mabe i can help a lil more.. im gessing the belts are tight and not sliping on the roller.. if they are loos u can adjust them by the bolts on the front tension arm.. also, opean the end gate.. set the locks and then start the bailer and see if your flutter roller is spining.. that is what starts your bails.. mine has had angle iron welded to it to help start the roll.. i have had my gear were out or the chain brake and that roller not spin.. when that happens it just buils up on wont make a full roll.. but other then the belts being tight and that roller spining.. just start the windrown right n the middler at slow speed and then i start weving.. mine will roll green or extra dry hay with no problens.. i also have the book.. so if i can help ya n any way just let me know.. my e-mail is [email protected]..

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Smith1000

07-12-2007 04:21:48




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to troy21, 07-11-2007 19:54:03  
Thanks for these pointers. I had loosened the belts based on the manual adjustment. Adjusted them as you mentioned. It said to start bales easier, loosen the belts by relaxing the belt deflection. At first, I loosened them too far and the belts did not spin at all. I tightened them up some-just enough to get them spinning and tried it. It really didn"t make any difference. Still didn"t want to start spinning a bale. The belts have been spinning all along though. The belts are old, but the rough sides still have their texture.

I did notice that my flutter (fluted?) roller is spinning, but the chain to it is somewhat loose. All of the chains are somewhat loose. I may tighten them up some-take some slack out. It will rumble some once the hopper has hay in it and I can see the roller spinning, but it just doesn"t seem to roll. Once it decides not to spin a bale--that"s it. It ususally doesn"t change its mind and start up later. On the other hand, it will start spinning and then later stop--very hard to get it rolling again.

I noticed that the flutter roller doesn"t have much as far as wings or fins on it for spinning or fliping the hay. It has some shallow or short angular ridges--very short. I wondered if there was a way to add angle iron or something to it to help with the spin the material. Does yours have angle iron added to the original ridges? If so, what width angle iron was welded on? Was it added over the top of the existing ridges?

Can any sprays or adhesives be added to the belts or flutted roller to improve the gripping for spinning? I wonder if I painted the ridges on the flutted roller with some heavey insulating paint, if that would help . The roller is polished extremely smooth right now.

Thanks for your help.

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Smith1000

07-11-2007 19:15:36




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Smith1000, 07-11-2007 17:43:34  
I tried to adjust the belt deflection to 1 1/2" or more and loosened the side springs some. Book said to do so to get the bales to start spinning in damnp stover when the pickup clogs. This did not help. Still in the no spin zone. It does seem to have a rumble from the chains once it is loaded and not spinning the bale. I wonder how critical this is. There is some vibration in the pick up belt and chains.

It probably does need some new pickup teeth. The ground is fairly smooth, but some are probably bent. I made the belt deflection adjustment and tested it. I proceeded to plug it up the tightest I have yet. Just cleaned it out a little bit ago.

The hay just doesn"t flip and roll. It sits in there, compiles some for awhile and, pretty soon, the pick up is clogged. Frustrating!

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Dave Anderson

07-11-2007 17:58:29




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Smith1000, 07-11-2007 17:43:34  
I had this same problem with my 5530, I assume yours is a belt baler, just a little wider. What mine turned out to be was bent pickup tooth bars. How can you tell? Look at the pickup teeth from the side if the bars that the teeth bolt to are bent the teeth won't line up in a row when viewed from the side. What bends 'em? Ground hog holes and mounds. Cure? Either buy new bars or hook a come-a-long to them and pull in the opposite opposite direction. There might be other problems, too, but this is what fixed most of the slow starting for me.

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Smith1000

07-12-2007 04:31:07




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 Re: Hesston 5500 Rounder Clogs and Stops Spinning Bales in reply to Dave Anderson, 07-11-2007 17:58:29  
Just re-read your posting. At first, I thought you meant bent spring teeth (pick up teeth), but do you mean the flat bars or packing fingers? Or, are you talking about the bars inside the packing fingers that the spring teeth attach to? Thanks. I am going to take a close look at the pick up later today.



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