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Scottnj

07-07-2007 05:41:52




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I have a 25 acre farm I've planted in orchard grass/clover hay with oats as a nurse crop. I tilled and planted, but I'm relying on another fellow who does custom cutting/baling to get it in. As sometimes happens, he's not available when the hay's ready. That's dissapointing, but that seems to be how the custom hay making business goes sometimes. I'll probably just hog off the oats to keep the weeds down and plan on making OG/clover hay next year once the stand has thickened.

My question is about round balers. I would like to purchase a used baler to do this myself next year. Although I worked on farms as a kid, and have worked with equipment all my life, I'm not what you would call a seasoned farmer - not even close. I'm not interested in doing custom baling. It appears my area is pretty well supported for JD and NH equipment (parts, service). I've done some reading about the old style chain and newer style belt balers and really don't know where to go. The ideal baler for me would be one that is a known reliable model that's decent to work on, has good parts availability and makes a good bale, but is old enough, and lacking in bells/whistles/speed that it's no longer desired by the custom baler guys. My biggest tractor is a 65 Horse gas MM 670 super. I don't plan on buying a bigger tractor. Bales will be fed to my steers. Bales will be stored under cover until being fed.

Hit me with ideas suggestions!

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Scottnj

07-08-2007 04:50:03




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
Thanks to all who have responded. You've given me a little education. It seems the majority opinion is that there is what I'm looking for in my price range out there. It appears that NH is the biggest player in my area, so I'm leaning slightly toward that brand just for parts availability and local knowledge. Years ago I bought a little Allis 160 40 Hp diesel tractor (foreign made for AC) that I just love. However, it's not a popular tractor and no one (that I've found around here) knows anything about it and there are few parts available for it. There were even two Allis dealers close to me, and when talking to them about my 160 it was like I was talking about my flying saucer (until they went under)! I don't want to repeat that mistake when I buy a baler.

Since this forum's threads don't bump to the top when a new post is added, when I get a little more solid as to which models I'm looking at, I'll start a new thread looking for specifics about things like "how to tell if the chains are wore out". Unless you guys want to tell me now - How do you tell if the wear parts on a NH chain baler are wore out or nearly so?

Thanks again for all the info!

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Dave Anderson

07-07-2007 18:06:36




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
I use a Heston 5530 belt baler behind an Allis D-10. It has worked very well for the last 4 or 5 years. Min hp is about 30, max is 65 (I think). Needs 2 remotes to run it (1- 2way remote) they hold their value very well, as I have seen them go for that at consignment auctions. You might get them for less at an estate auction, or in the fall.



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JM in Merit

07-07-2007 13:29:55




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
Ran a Vermeer 605 F for many years. baled with a 60 HP ( Farmall 560 propane) it was all the tractor wanted but did the job. It went faster after I got I 1066 tractor, but it can be done with a 60 HP. Made nice bales with little trouble out of it.
The F is not real fast, but good baler. I sold mine last year for $3500 after buying a 605 K
Should be able to pick up a F model that in good working shape for 2500 to 4000. Maybe cheaper at an auction

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Allan In NE

07-07-2007 11:44:36




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
I live in hay country.

There are two kinds of balers used here. The $40,000+ versions (name your manufacturer) and the NH chainer models 848, 849, 852, 853 and 855, which can *usually* be bought for "around" $2K or less (they have the bad, boogie-man, 'oh, that darn chain' stigma).

Very seldom see the old 850 and 851s with the floor chains anymore.

Now, the expensive balers do indeed make a "prettier" bale. I'm sure the cows appreciate that part. :>)

Allan

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bobia

07-07-2007 15:38:47




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-07-2007 11:44:36  
Don,t the chain type shatter more leaves? I have heard this before. We are looking for a round baler but think will go with Vermeer. .I think Massey is the same also



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Allan In NE

07-07-2007 15:49:51




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to bobia, 07-07-2007 15:38:47  
I dunno.

If ya put the hay up wrong, guess it would; probably make powder out of it.

I bale when the dew is down at 4am. By 11 am it usually is way too dry to bale hay.

Allan

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RodInNS

07-07-2007 10:40:21




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
In my opinion, if you want performance, buy a fixed chamber Claas. If you want cheap, buy something else. The 848 NH was probably the best of the chain jobs that they built, and if it hasn't been run to death already it will probably suit you fine and not cost a bundle. Like the Claas, it will bale anything.
The best feature of the Claas fixed chamber balers is that they have few moving parts, and what there is are simple.... common roller chain and sealed bearings. The biggest thing to watch is that the rollers are not all beat to death. If they're good, the baler is basically maintenance free other than pickup fingers, chain oil and grease....

Other than that, I'd suggest that you find an open throat baler of some sort. It will be easier to work with and make better bales, whether it be Vermeer, Deere, NH, or whatever else. The closed throat's are always cheaper, and for good reason....

Rod

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old

07-07-2007 08:19:42




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
I use a NH850 baler. In my area once in a while you can find the old 850s and 851s for less then a grand. Last year I could have picked up 3 850s for $500 each and they all still worked. Your MM at 65HP would play with an 850 also but they do make a big big bale. I pull my 850 with an Oliver Super 88 and its only about 55HP so you don't have a HP problem as far as a baler. So what I'm say in if you keep your eyes open and look I'll bet you could find one of the old chain balers in your area pretty cheap and you can still get the parts for them also

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R. John Johnson

07-07-2007 07:40:14




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
For what you describe, a Vermeer 605F would be perfect. What ever you chose, make sure it has an open throat. Closed throat balers have two rollers behind the pickup. These rollers have to spread to let hay in the baler. If things are not perfect they will plug and not start the bale.

John



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sid

07-07-2007 07:29:31




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
My gut reaction would be got to Vermeer dealer as you say he is close. I do not know anything about their balers not many around here. There are a few older NH chain balers around that are still plugging along. I have older M&W 1500. I paid $2000 for about five years or so ago and baled around 600 or so bales with it. I can get parts from three different places that are about thirty minutes away. It is simple to operate and has been very reliable. It's tying system is simple and reliable. You need electric hook up for the tying system. And One set of hydraulic outlets to open and lock the rear gate. I would not hesitate to recommend one IF a dealer support is handy. Many bearings can be bought at other places but some parts are only M&W. A Krone baler is the same baler. For My part M&W is a good older baler

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A-C hayman

07-07-2007 07:13:45




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
Do you have a Krone dealer nearby? Fixed chamber balers can usually be bought cheaper. They also have a lot less parts. Krone makes a chain baler, but it is a lot more simple than the old new holland. You could bale fenceposts with them if you want. They are not as desireable because with fixed chamber balers, you can only make a full sized bale. They are usually electric tie. M&W also makes a similar baler, but I dont think they have very good dealer support anymore. If you want a belt baler, look for an open throat model. F series or newer Vermeer, *30 or newer Deere, I cant remember where Hesston changed, mebey 5540?. Closed throat balers use two press rollers that the hay has to run through. They take some practice to run, and dont perform well in other than ideal conditions.

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Sid

07-07-2007 07:37:51




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to A-C hayman, 07-07-2007 07:13:45  
"I dont think they have very good dealer support anymore." That is true according to the two older dealers I do business with. But there service on a local level is still top notch. In my opinion.



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A-C hayman

07-07-2007 07:59:28




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Sid, 07-07-2007 07:37:51  
I think your 1500 and my KR 151 are the same baler. I think M&W manufactured US Krone balers under Krone patents. Some of the parts on my baler are stamped MW.Our M&W dealer switched to Krone when M&W was bought by the rhino brush hog people.



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Scottnj

07-07-2007 06:52:36




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
Forgot to add - there's a Vermeer dealer close also.

How much to spend? Well, that's a hard call. I've seen them go for as low as $1000.00. I've found that generally, the lowest price isin't the best. Usually, if something wore out can be bought for $1000, the same model in good condition might be found for $1500, and is a far better buy! So, I don't know what to spend. $1500 would be nice, but is it reasonable? Is $3500 more likely to get me what I want? $5,000? I'd probably be hard pressed to go over $5,000, but that doesn't mean I want to spend $5,000, if $1500 would do the job for me. Kinda like my big tractor. I bought it seven years ago for 3500 with a loader, in good - not wore out condition from the original owner. Yeah, the manufacturer is no longer in business, but it just so happens that my neighbor was a mechanic at the dealership that sold this tractor new, and is better for parts/knowledge/repair work than I could ever imagine from a store front dealer. Suits me to a T, is reliable and was inexpensive. I could have easily spent five times as much on a newer, more comfortable tractor that for what I'm doing would not help me as much as the cash outlay would hurt me. It was kinda neat this Spring when I went to disc. Tractor wouldn't start after sitting all winter. With something this old, can only be two things -spark or gas (no computer). Well, it was both. Stuck float and points closed up. Both were fixed by me in the barn in about an hour. Parts from NAPA. That's what I'm looking for in a round baler. Reliable, simple, easily fixable, parts available, does a decent job and lastly, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

As to the number of remotes. I have two. Do some/all round balers need more than two? I could install a splitter if I needed three - correct?

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Luke S

07-07-2007 07:17:38




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 06:52:36  
The NH chainers aren't bad old machines, there pretty cheap and parts are easy to get. I used to have an old Hesston 5500 that I gave $2200 for and never did any repairs to it other than put new tires on it, served me real well. You won't need more than 2 remotes. Some balers, like my old Hesston, had electric tie and only needed one remote, that was why I asked how many you had. It's hard to advise you really because there are a lot of good old machines out there for under $5000. Take a look at what you have for local parts support and then get one of those kind of balers. When you find some let us know what they are and price and we can advise you furthur.

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hd6gtom

07-07-2007 06:12:13




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
Buy a brand that has a good dealer close to you. JD, Nh or Case Ih make good balers. I have a late NH chain baler. It has always been reliable, In 10 years I have put 1 belt and 1 idler gear on it however to get parts it is now a 3hr drive. The CaseIH Jd parts are 15 to 20 min, makes a diff if the hay is ready and rain is in the forecast.



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Luke S

07-07-2007 06:11:37




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 Re: round baler suggestion in reply to Scottnj, 07-07-2007 05:41:52  
How much money do you want to spend? How many hydraulic remotes does you tractor have?



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