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Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang??

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Joe in IN

07-04-2007 20:34:22




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Going to use 2X8X16's doubled up for the stringers(or is it runners?? front to back axle is what I mean).

I have a load of 3/8's lag bolts. 3", 3 1/2" and 4 ".... Now carriage bolts may be better, but will I have problems if I lag them together? I planned on lagging under every cross piece?

Also, the wagon will only come apart so far. Will 40" overhang onthe back give me problems. I am building 16X8 and usually get 130-140 a wagon... I figure on the back row I will have 5 60lb bales per row and at max 6 rows(usually 5 1/2). 30 X 60 lbs is 1800 pounds hanging off the back. Any one see issues with thi????

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johns48jdb

07-06-2007 04:37:30




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-04-2007 20:34:22  
i like the idea of the plywood and use it in doors under floors all the time. i'm not sure i would want to use it out doors. the plwood will have a tendency to want to expand when it gets wet. you might get away with it using exterior glue plywood, but even then i'd be afraid of the idea. with all the twisting and turning and expansion and contracting that the bed is going to go through i'd use bolts and nuts construction every where. washers under the head of the bolts and under nuts are a must do.

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Don-Wi

07-05-2007 11:07:15




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-04-2007 20:34:22  
40" should be ok over the back end, but is probably pushing it. We've got 2 wagons that we run - 1 is ours, one is the neighbor lady who's an older farm widow - that have a litle bit much overhang. Ours we can't do anything about, it's been welded and that's where it's gonna stay. The other we just can't touch because it doesn't belong to us. We just fix the flats if they happen and say thanks or letting us borrow it every year. We run a total of 6 wagons right now, the rest are all balanced really nice.

If the back starts to get heavy, just keep a couple up front untill you get a little ways past the back axel, then it'll start to balance out again.

For pulling behind a baler, for us it works best to have the tounge sticking out about 4' from the edge of the wagon.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Joe in IN

07-05-2007 15:14:19




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Don-Wi, 07-05-2007 11:07:15  
This one appears to be welded as well. So the gear will not spread as much as I would like.

Before tearing the deck off, this one would tip from time to time. I had a load onthe back and away it went. I was hanging off the front with wagon tipped at 45 degrees or so. Of course my mother just continued baling....



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Don-Wi

07-05-2007 19:30:37




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-05-2007 15:14:19  
Sounds almost like my mom- She doesn't always look back and/or care when she sees that I'm struggling some, so she isn't allowed to drive for me anymore unless it just has to get done and she's the only one available.

Otherwise my fiance is the best driver I've had.

You should tie down atleast 1 corner on the front, then it can only go so far unless it brings up the ruinning gear as well. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll put a tape measure to the 2 wagons that hang over a little extra and see what they really are.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Joe in IN

07-06-2007 07:16:35




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Don-Wi, 07-05-2007 19:30:37  
Oh, it was tied down in front in two places.... Wheels and all came off the ground....

Maybe I could install a wheelie bar?



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Michael Soldan

07-05-2007 04:58:17




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-04-2007 20:34:22  
I used 2x8 x16's as well doubled up, but I put a wafer of half inch plywood between, glued with water proof glue, nailed and bolted. I have a 2"x8" bolted in between so they don't tip, made a good strong wagon, carry 140 bales all the time on the 8'x16' deck. It was cheaper doing it this way than getting hardwood cut at the sawmill for the sills



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Dave Grindle

07-04-2007 21:35:50




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-04-2007 20:34:22  
Joe , ( they should be fine ) but if you'r worried about the lags holding - just add a couple bolts & a few nails for good measure my larger concern would be that the "sringers" might want to try & "tip" over after a few years of use ( kinda tall & skiny) .....you might want to bolt a steel (tri) angle brace in the corner of each cross piece & the stringer ( i've always used 4x6's for flat rakes , & 6x6's for bale-thrower rakes - & the 4x6's do have a habit of breaking after about 20 years or so ) the rear over-hang sounds about right to maybe a little too much .....if the front of the wagon gets light before you get bales stacked in front of the rear wheels -- just leave a few bales on the front untill you get enough weight in front of the rear axle hope this helps ! dave

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Joe in IN

07-05-2007 06:30:22




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 Re: Hay Wagon Runners...Lag Bolts ok?? back overhang?? in reply to Dave Grindle, 07-04-2007 21:35:50  
Yes... I have all the angle iron from the old deck rip off that is still serviceable. I planned on salvaging and using where each cross piece meets stringer.

I also planned to put some wood in between the stringers to keep them steady. Also have a welded angle iron piece for each end(bolts to each stringer) to keep from tipping.....



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