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3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone

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Chris Van der V

07-02-2007 20:38:32




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I have a 1958 Gas Oliver 550. Would it be more economical (on gas) to run a logsplitter from my tractor external hydraulics or to use a standalone log splitter from Tractor Supply etc.?




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Oldmax

07-05-2007 05:00:16




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
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I use a tractor mounted and love it run it off tractor HYD's . Tractor uses about 1/2 GPH a 5 HP gas engine uses a lot more than that .



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RodInNS

07-03-2007 14:16:29




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
I'll suggest that there's three correct answers to this question, depending on how much wood you're going to split....
If you're doing a very small amount; not even enough to heat your own house, then running it off the tractor's hydraulics will likely do OK. It will be painfully slow because the old tractor doesn't move much oil, and the tractor will burn a lot of gast to do it.... but it's cheap to setup, and will do on a limited basis.

If you're doing a fair amount of wood for yourself, or even on a very small commercial basis, then a small engine powered splitter with a 2 stage pump is probably the best way to go. It will use less gas in the long run and gives decent performance with the 2 stage pump....

IF you're into this in a serious way, moving commercial quantities, then don't waste your time on either. You want at minimum a 4" ram and a 20+ gpm pump, PTO driven, with it's own resevoir and controls. That's going to be a bunch more money, but it will buy you capacity.

Right now I'm using a small trailed splitter that I built, and it's powered off the tractors hydraulics, or my skid steer.... but these rigs are all pumping 14-18 gpm, so they're relatively fast without running the engine fast, so the fuel use isn't too bad.

I'm in the process of obtaining the parts to build a large commercial splitter though, and that will be PTO powered.....

Rod

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TomH in PA

07-03-2007 16:37:02




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to RodInNS, 07-03-2007 14:16:29  
Rod forgot #0 - a splitting maul.

With a splitter you still have to put the unsplit sections onto the splitter, pick up the pieces, and stack the firewood. The only thing you save is swinging the axe. A person in reasonable shape can split a lot of wood in an afternoon with just a good maul and a couple of wedges.



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RodInNS

07-03-2007 19:40:55




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to TomH in PA, 07-03-2007 16:37:02  
I'd lose the wedges to be honest... Just go with the maul (splitting axe). However, if you've got a pile of twisted rock maple to split, you'll get cured of the maul fairly quickly....

Rod



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El Toro

07-03-2007 08:01:09




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
If I was building another log splitter I would
use a 6-inch I-beam. We had no way to temper the 4-inch beam we used. With the 2-stage pump if it couldn't split the wood it would shear it and our beam ended up with a little bow. I never thought too much of Tecumseh engines, but this one was an exception. It even started easily in cold weather. Hal



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MF Poor

07-03-2007 04:56:06




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
Lots of things to consider.

3pt means one less motor. Cheaper initially without that engine. Small engine running wide open will burn a lot of gas. Tractor needs only to run 1/3 to 1/2 throttle. (on mine anyway)

stand alone won't be putting hours on the tractor. The tractor will be free to do other things if it's not tied to the splitter.

3pt means less people will be able to "borrow" it. (More trouble to load/haul and they have to have a tractor) That can be a GOOD thing or a BAD thing!

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El Toro

07-03-2007 04:18:27




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
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The log splitters with the 5 hp engines will use a lot of gas since they have the throttle set at wide open. A co-worker of mine and I built one
and we used a 10hp Tecumseh engine from an old Sears tractor. We used a hydraulic cylinder that had a 4 inch bore. We bought a 2-stage pump and a control valve. We just ran the engine at a fast idle and it didn't use much gas. Here's a picture of it. Hal

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JV3CII

07-03-2007 04:16:28




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
Have a look over on the machine builders network. Quite a few folks have built their own splitters. Some of them are quite impressive too!
A 3ph one would be my choice...



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johns48jdb

07-03-2007 04:12:01




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 Re: 3 pt. wood splitter vs. standalone in reply to Chris Van der Vyver, 07-02-2007 20:38:32  
i had a 3 pt one and loved it. i could carry it to the woods and after trimming back just start at the top and back the tractor down the log and split it right there. i didn"t have to drag the log out and get dirt all in it and there by dulling my saw blades. it takes up less space that a stand alone nit too. mine was jd and i took two wood spliting wedges and welded them onto the blade about an inch back from the sharp edge to force the wodd apart quicker. just using the thin blade makes it to slow. you"ve got to know what your doing to plumb it up to your tractor. on my 574 ih i had to plumb the return line straight into the fill fitting for my hydraulic fluid. the best thing i ever did to cut wood was to build a trailer 24 foot long from a house trwailer frame and used part of the frame to double up the frame and then used parts of it to connect the side rails together. no floor. i"d cut the logs up, load them on my trailer with my front end loader and haul the wood to my shop. it could lay there until i got ready to cut it up. when i cut it up i"d pick it up with my front end loader and have one guy start on on end with a saw cutting it to length and another on the other end. then we"d just back the tractor with the spliter on it down the pile and split it and throw it on a truck. its nice if you can just cut and split it next to where its going to be stacked and just go from spliter to stack.

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