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Big Hunter

06-18-2007 17:14:10




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ok I know nothing about hay. but I have been toying around with making a little (about an acre) for our own use. our neighbor's uncle has about 6 acres of grass/clover he planted like 2 years ago. he never used it just mowed it down. the neighbor was asking if I would make hay off it (we would use it for our animals and she has 1 horse. I walked out there today and it has thistle...not heavy but it's there, everywhere I walked it was there. my question is...is a horse or steer going to eat the hay (or do I need to get a goat) thanks...come on I'm having fun with this hay making thing learning as I go.

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hay master

06-20-2007 06:33:08




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 Re: hay in reply to Big Hunter, 06-18-2007 17:14:10  
I get a few of those nasty thistles in my hay fields. Unless they are real heavy I would mow it and bale it. The horses will pick around it. I have baled that way for years and unless your horses are finicky don't sweat the small stuff.



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Brent in IA

06-20-2007 03:35:51




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 Re: hay in reply to Big Hunter, 06-18-2007 17:14:10  
2,4D will kill the clover as well as the thistles so if you want to save the clover spray with 2,4-DB instead (one brand is Butyrac). Whatever the "B" stands for I don't know, but it makes it safe on alfalfa, soybeans, and most clovers.



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VaSlim

06-19-2007 17:54:14




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 Re: hay in reply to Big Hunter, 06-18-2007 17:14:10  
For six acres, I'd consider laying it down, thistle and all, with the mower, then putting on a pair of gloves and picking the thistle plants out before tedding and raking. If you've got a good grass stand and keep doing this eventually you'll eliminate the thistle.



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Curt from MN

06-19-2007 02:48:17




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 Re: hay in reply to Big Hunter, 06-18-2007 17:14:10  
Best way is to get the thistle under control with something such as 2-4D or such. As graze my horses will eat around the thistle. Wouldn't really want to feed them hay impregnated with thistle. Cattle might not be so picky. Goats supposedly will eat just about anything. On the other hand if you plan on using the hay for your own animals and your neighbors horse the thistle has got to go! Here in Minnesota the thistle is considered a noxious weed and the land owner is required to control it. Failure to do so can result in the County spraying the field/ditch and adding the cost + to the owners taxes. Sounds like you may do about 7 acres. What kind of set up are you planning on using? Meaning mower, rake and baler? Just curious.

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flying belgian

06-19-2007 06:08:04




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 Re: hay in reply to Curt from MN, 06-19-2007 02:48:17  
Yes 24-d will cotrol it. Spray first, wait 10 days to make hay then wait 14 days and spray again.



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Big Hunter

06-19-2007 05:06:57




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 Re: hay in reply to Curt from MN, 06-19-2007 02:48:17  
I have an Allis CA with a 80R sickle, a Deutz-Fahr tedder, and a NH 55 rake. we have been picking up our one acre with pitch forks, putting in the 310sg loader bucket, dumping it at the shed door and forking it inside...WHEW for the 6 acres I'll get my cousin to round bale it for me...said he charges $9 per bale. I have a Allis 190XT, it runs and everything works except the brakes, I'm slowly working on completely restoring it...then I might get a round baler...

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Curt from MN

06-19-2007 12:42:30




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 Re: hay in reply to Big Hunter, 06-19-2007 05:06:57  
Don't know anything about the Allis tractors but not sure how long it would take to see any return for the cost of a round baler on 7 acres vs. $9 per bale to have it done. Maybe cheaper to start with a small square baler on that size area if you are really wanting to make hay. Another option would be to get the round baler and see if you can find other landowners interested in either gifting/renting their hay ground. Might even check into if the County or as here in MN. the Township has any road ditches nearby that are bid out for mowing.

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