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Wee Little Farm

06-17-2007 11:45:43

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One more question guys. I have heard wire balers leave pieces of wire out in the field, We have a horse and goats and don't want them to get hurt.

What are the pro's and conns to both.

Thank you, Bill;

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Tx Jim

06-20-2007 04:11:18

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Stephen in SoKY, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

LenND,you must be refering to the JD 114W or 116W AKA sidekickers that tied on each end of bale and did leave short pieces of wire. But JD balers suchas 224WS, 346WS and later models built after that that were adjusted correctly don't leave small pieces of wire. Tx Jim

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LenND

06-20-2007 13:34:03

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Tx Jim, 06-20-2007 04:11:18

Tx Jim. I think you are right with 114 number. A friend of mine has a JD baler that's scrap and he says that one left the pieces of wire. He fed the hay to quite a few caattle over the years and says he never had a metal problem.

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Fordfarmer

06-19-2007 20:30:17

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

Around here,(northern WI) you'd have to look long and hard to find a wire tie baler. I have seen only 1 in over 20 years of farming and going to auctins. I guess everyone around here has heard about the pieces of wire- no one wants hardware. (cows don't purposly eat metal, but they eat so much so fast that they pick it up with their hay, silage, or whatever.) I've always used sisal, but have had problems the last few years with inconsistant tine pulling out of the knots or breaking. Switched brands a couple of times, but that didn't help. Tried some plastic twine this year, and won't be buying any more sisal. Plastic is $8 cheaper, and I didn't have any missed knots the day I tried it.

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farmer boy 2

06-19-2007 09:22:04

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

We only use sisal twine and have never had a problem. I have never seen a wire baler although I've seen people use real thin plastic twine and that stuff hurts to lift. The sisal is the right size to lift without digging into your hands. How do you handle wire bales?

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j105

06-19-2007 19:22:36

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to farmer boy 2, 06-19-2007 09:22:04

we use hay hooks. some refer to them as idiot sticks. i hate to admit it but mine are shined up from use. i've seen guys handle bales by hand but they are usually stacking string tied bales which are loose and spongy and a hook won't stay in them.

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LenND

06-19-2007 15:56:41

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to farmer boy 2, 06-19-2007 09:22:04

We were stacking 4000 bales to the stack and most of the time it was a 10 hour day. Good thing I was a teenager---full of ---- and vinegar. We never tuoched the bales with our hands much but we did wear leather gloves. We handled the bales with two bale hooks, one in each hand. Works good once you get the hang of it.

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LenND

06-18-2007 13:18:56

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

I was ther when these JD balers were working. Every time a bale was tied it left a 1 inch or so piece of wire from each tie on the bale. There were three JD balers ==two used and one new owned by three differentg owners and all did the same. JD reps said that was the way they tied. I did here later the (JD) replaced all three knotting assemblies. But the two pieces of wire would lay on top of the bale after it knotted.

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RickL

06-18-2007 09:42:04

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

they all have disadvantages and advantages IF USED CORRECTLY. I would not use wire personally simply cause of cost and the plastic will hold just like the wire would. Yes you can find all of it laying around if you operate that way. If the baler is set correctly and you handle bales like they should be handled you won't have any laying around anyway. If you feed to ytour own animals them when you break the bales hang it up simple as that. Me I prefer plastic no questions period. 170 and 210 knot Bridon.

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Hayfarmer

06-18-2007 07:42:26

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

In the old days here, Central Washington State, everyone used wire, many 3 wire balers. Wire was easy to come by and was uniform in diameter and of good quality. Now most people have switched to twine, usually plastic. We export hay to Japan and the processors want twine bales. You can put as much weight in a plastic twine bale as a wire bale. We had dairy cows and picket as assortment of stuff out of the stomach of one when she went down on her milk, included wire and wood screws. It is now hard to find wire of consistent quality here, maybe because it is not used much. I agree that it is handy to patch stuff and hold gates and all. I have a big enough pile that I don't think I'll run out and will loan some out.

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Joe(TX)

06-18-2007 05:34:50

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

I myself have never seen a wire baler leave wire in the field and I have been handling hay since the 50's. That usually comes from the operator.
Hardly anyone around here will buy a twine baler. This is horse country also.

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Leroy

06-18-2007 19:04:27

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Joe(TX), 06-18-2007 05:34:50

They do not leave the wire in the field BUT in the bale fron a inch or two long piece cut off in the tying or twisting of the wire, it will be right at the twist of the wire on the top of the bale, now if the baler is a model that the wires are on the sides then those pieces will fall off into the field. I have 2 John Deere wire tie balers but they are just for shows as no one around wants wire and my model you can't even by the wire for anymore and they would leave that little piece of wire in the bale.

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Joe(TX)

06-19-2007 19:43:17

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Leroy, 06-18-2007 19:04:27

If it leaves it on the bale loose, it's left in the field.
That is not how the New Holland or Massey Ferguson twisters work. There is no cut off wire left. I have looked at several JD balers and they tie the same as the NH. What model baler are yu looking at?

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LenND

06-19-2007 09:10:36

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Leroy, 06-18-2007 19:04:27

Thanks, Leroy! For awhile there I think the other guys thought I was full of you know what.
But this did happen in 1950 on alfalfa hay. What the baler model number was I don't remember.

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j105

06-17-2007 19:13:40

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

a wire baler doesn't give cattle hardware disease it's the baler operator or the cattleman that does. a wire tie baler does not leave wire in the bale it gets in the bale only if it is picked up by the baler. i see alot of baler operators that rebale broken bales without getting off the tractor and fishing out the wire. i've also seen careless feeding of wire tied bales, like breaking bales by twisting the wire with a hay hook. this leaves a little rounded peice of wire that usually falls off and ends up in the bale. i have always fed wire tied bales and dont recall ever having any problem. besides the used wire is real handy. as many things as i have wired together i honestly don't think i could farm if i had a string baler.

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LenND

06-17-2007 17:53:52

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

When small balers first came out the commercial hay people around would not let John Deere wire ties on their fields. They left two pieces of wire in the bales everytime they tied and cattle men refused to buy them. This was in the early fifties.

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BCnT

06-17-2007 15:28:46

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

we useta feed nuthin but wire tied bales when i was a kid...i'm sure there was wire laying out there somewhere but i've never seen a animal try to eat any...twine on the other hand is like a licorice whip to most of em and i have seen animals strangle on it...about all ya can do is walk yer pastures on occasion and pick up trash and leave everything else to mother nature.

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Hugh MacKay

06-17-2007 17:06:23

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to BCnT, 06-17-2007 15:28:46

BCnT: Probably the two biggest factors vastly reduced the numbers of wire tie balers; cost of wire and secondly wire hardware in stomachs of rumans.

When I was a young lad a two man slaughter house operated not far from our home. The owners said they could pick out the farms with wire tie balers, based on the wire hardware in stomachs of livestock. Probably 95% of it never bothered at animal in anyway, however there were animals died from it. I remember a story, farmer noticed a bar hanging from belly of his horse. On closer inspection they found it was a 12" spike consumed by the horse, poked it's way through intestine and on through horse's skin until was held by the head of the spike, hanging from his belly.

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BCnT

06-18-2007 08:33:09

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-17-2007 17:06:23

point i was tryin to make is if people that damn worried about animals then take the bales apart and hand feed em one at a time...caca occurs...i've seen on my own farm more damage from twine than wire as far as ingestion...your mileage may vary.

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Leroy

06-18-2007 19:12:17

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to BCnT, 06-18-2007 08:33:09

You try that and you will still be feeding that little piece of wire that is so small you do not see it in the wafer of hay but it is there. And we have lost cattle due to hardware diese and that is not cheap, a 2" piece of twine they will move thru without causing any problems but not that piece of wire that is too small that you cannot see it

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Allan In NE

06-18-2007 05:03:04

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-17-2007 17:06:23

Hugh,

Think you mean a 12d nail rather than a 12" spike?

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

06-18-2007 12:42:01

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Allan In NE, 06-18-2007 05:03:04

Allan: I mean 12" spike.

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Roger in Iowa

06-17-2007 15:20:27

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Wee Little Farm, 06-17-2007 11:45:43

No they do not leave pieces of wire in the fields!

Twine does leave a little piece of twine each know. Raises hell if the piece is plastic and it gets in the wool of sheep. Woolen garmet manufactures hate the plastic pieces as they cannot be dyed.

Roger in Iowa

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Seth_ia

06-17-2007 18:25:43

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Roger in Iowa, 06-17-2007 15:20:27

Wool ain't worth nothing except for LDP weight. I couldn't care less if I get a little plastic in the wool. I have no choice, but to use plastic on the big square baler, and perfer it for the small square baler. If your concerned about bale weight, plastic is a wire replacement with out the trouble or expense of wire.

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Tom 43

06-18-2007 08:23:55

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Re: Wire vs Twine in reply to Seth_ia, 06-17-2007 18:25:43

If you want small bales wire is the only way to go. They are just so much more reliable than twine balers. If you want a puzzle go to a puzzle store. The puzzle is a lot cheaper than a string baler.

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