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JD 14T of JD224ws

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WeeLittleFarm

06-16-2007 21:18:50




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Lookin at a 14T And 224ws. We only bale about 200 bales a year just for us. 14 has a 2cylinder engine on it, 224 has a 4cylinder.

Which one would be best for small operation?

Thanks Bill




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Tx Jim

06-18-2007 09:52:54




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to georgeky, 06-16-2007 21:18:50  
MSB,IMHO if the needles on a 224WS are adjusted correctly then it won't leave pieces of wire. To my knowledge the wire tying systems "after the 114W/116W/214W models which did leave short pieces(these tied on each end of bale)" are all identical up to current production except for some wire guides on later JD models. Tx Jim



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Randy as in Randy-IA

06-17-2007 15:40:27




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to WeeLittleFarm, 06-16-2007 21:18:50  
Hi I've not had any experience with the ws ( That's a wire tie right ? ) but I have three 14t's . I hay 6 acres for 5 horses . I live on a farm that has used wire tie balers in the past and so I would steer clear of them if it was me . There is wire all over this farm from numb minded people that used a wire tie baler on the place before us . There's a pile of wire ten feet around and at least three feet thick half buried at the back corner of the barn . It's not a cleanup job that can be done by hand . I did clean about 7 wheelbarrows full of wire out of the haymow after we bought the place a couple years ago and put it in the scrap pile at work . Wire is a mess ! At least twine rots in a year or two when left out in the elements , this wire has been there for at least twenty years ( We moved in here as renters 19 years ago ) . With horses I'd go with the twine baler . JMHO . ...Randy

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Joe(TX)

06-18-2007 05:41:51




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 06-17-2007 15:40:27  
You need to blame the people and not the baler.
Apparantly you have not seen a horse injured by getting twine wrapped around their foot. More dangerous than wire to me.
Besides, wire will also degrade after a couple of years if buried. However the wire is recylable whereas the twine is not.



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Randy as in Randy-IA

06-21-2007 18:49:54




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to Joe(TX), 06-18-2007 05:41:51  
hi Joe , I'm a little late getting back to this thread but to answer your question , no , never have seen that happen to a horses hoof . I have had horses on this farm since day one here and before that my wife has owned one of the horses for 27 years . I mean one horse is 27 this year and she's owned it since it was rounded up as a wild newborn horse in a herd out in the rockies of colorado , a mustang in the real sense of the word . She lived in edwards colorado there when she bought him 27 years ago . I grew up on my grandparents farm in georgia where tennessee walking horses were raised so I've been around horses most of my life . If the horse is cared for like they gnerally are then problems should be found before they get to the point of infection or worse . I have seen horses tangled up in barbed wire fences . Definetly not something you want to witness . I've pulled barn spikes out of frogs along with wire and nails . But never had or seen a problem with twine , though as you said I know it has happened . As for the wire degrading after a couple years , I'll have to strongly disagree with that statement . That pile of wire at the rear of the barn was the peoples fault for sure but I've lived here for 19 years , the wire has been there for that long . I'VE never had a wire baler on the place , I didn't put it there and now I have to figure out how to remove it without an excavator to dig it up and take it to a landfill ($$$) . From the looks of the pile I'd say there's more than a full size pickup box load IF I can seperate the dirt from the wire . But from what I've tried to move by hand it's decayed into foot long or shorter pieces so it'll take a dump truck ( small one ) to get rid of it . Point is , here in nice moist Iowa it hasn't decayed in at least twenty years outdoors in the weather , under the trees in fact where it's almost always wet or moist . If it had been taken care of at the time it was used it may not have turned into a problem . But wire is wire . ...Randy

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Farm withScrap Iron

06-17-2007 09:26:20




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to WeeLittleFarm, 06-16-2007 21:18:50  
The 224 is a heavy duty (commercial) version of the 24 whereas the 14T/214T or WS is the previous JD model ('50s/60's) to the 24/224. I would guess my pto 14T has made many tens of thousands of bales - it still works, the bale counter doesn't! :D :D I very much doubt you'll wear either of them out although given their age either is prone to a major failure like broken needles, smashed up knotter, etc.
Given the low usage you plan to make of either, IMHO you should decide which looks to be in better condition and which engine is the better of the two and decide. Too bad they're not the same model, you could buy both! :~) I have no experience on WS balers so someone else will have to comment on that.
HTH.

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old

06-17-2007 08:28:43




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to WeeLittleFarm, 06-16-2007 21:18:50  
Both are good balers but the 14T is a lot older then the 224.



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msb

06-17-2007 19:03:21




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 Re: JD 14T of JD224ws in reply to old, 06-17-2007 08:28:43  
1971 was the last year the 224 was built. I think they were only built for about 3 or 4 years. The WS denoted W--wire S--single twist. The 14 & 214 balers preceeded the 224 series.
If you decide on the 224WS, just check the bales where the wire is twisted. That is where any short wire twisted off will land. Clyde, the old baler repairman at the dealership where I worked was forever harping about those balers dropping short wire pieces on the top of the bales.Maybe a strong magnent mounted on top of the bale chamber would have been a good idea? The 224 WS was a wonderful baler, otherwise.

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