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Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner

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Joe in IN

06-15-2007 14:06:54




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Got my results:

Protein 9.36

Is this normal. Just starting out with this timothy field so really don't have anything to compare to as my alfalfa always ran 15 - 22 CP%

Also, I got oit really dry, like 9.73%

That is my driest ever for any hay, is it too dry? Can you make too dry of hay??




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hayray

06-17-2007 04:28:00




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-15-2007 14:06:54  
I would say that is normal, but cut earlier alot of guys tell me they have 12% grass hay but I have never tested any of mine that hay, I am usually around that 8-9 % on straight grass hay cut after bloom. Too dry, we had a lot of that here this week, I'll take it as compared to the alternative. I had to increase the density because as the moisture got so low the hay would fluff back angainst the strings in the chamber and the twine fingers were missing it.

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kyhayman

06-16-2007 20:01:40




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-15-2007 14:06:54  
Last year I won the Kentucky State Fair timothy hay catagory with an analysis looking like that. Thats what good timothy tests like. If it has seed heads, thats about it, if it doesnt, no one will buy it because they cant tell that its timothy.



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Joe in IN

06-17-2007 05:02:19




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to kyhayman, 06-16-2007 20:01:40  
Thanks Hayman, that makes me feel better. The hay really does look good, a few stems and did have heads but not all heads.



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Edd in KY

06-16-2007 08:30:17




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-15-2007 14:06:54  
I raise and race horses and I raise a lot of my own hay. Around here, in normal years, by the time it is hot enough and dry enongh to make heavy grass hay the protein levels have dropped into the below 10% range. It is not unusual to see 7-8% timothy. Most horse owners think timothy is real high performance horse hay, but it is more sought after because it is very palatable and horses love it. When you are feeding performance horses a high amount of grain, you must feed them a type of roughage that they will eat well....to prevent impaction and colic.

As one of the others said, not all horses are the same. I make a lot of late season grass hay that I use for bedding, because it is cheaper than straw, and the horses like it. They munch on it and it reduces stall vices. However, the horse nutritionists send a stream of horse owners to me to buy this low protein grass hay to help keep weight off their fat horses while still giving them somthing besides the stalls and fences to chew on.

Incidently, I generally feed my performance horses a mix of two or three flakes of timothy and a flake of high protein alfalfa.

In summary, i would not worry about the protein level of your Timothy, sounds about right to me.

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burnetma

06-16-2007 04:49:39




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-15-2007 14:06:54  
Joe,

Sorry for such a long post.

Obviously, I do not know the horse owner, but there are a multitude of reasons why they want the analysis. As Scott mentioned, horse owners supplement with grain, but also with other feed supplements to meet the requirements of their horse(s). When I was in the horse breeding business, I bought hay from a dairy farmer who produced ~43,000 square bales/year and regularly tested his hay. Knowing this I always asked for a report. At first, he was questioning my motives, but then I explained that I was using the information to set up custom feeding programs for my animals. He then understood where I was coming from and wanted to know more. I explained what I was trying to control in my feeding program and the problem I had with the diversity of my stable. We had pregnant mares, pregnant nursing mares, barren nursing mares, barren mares with conception issues, weanlings, yearlings, 2 year olds, pasture pets and geriatric horses. Each needed its own feeding program for optimum health and minimum cost. Being a farmer, he obviously related with my needs and found it very interesting. We enjoyed sitting and talking about our experiences with our animals.

He supplied ~1800-2000 bales/year to me for 5 years. He got to know what I was looking for and simply would set aside a couple of kicker wagons full of hay at the end of the day when he was working a field that would yield my kind of hay. I never returned a bale and always paid on delivery. It was a good working relationship for both of us.

We have since moved 200 miles away and left the breeding business. We still remain friends and see each other a couple times of year.

Hopefully, you have an informed customer who is just trying to do the best for their animal(s). Understanding what they are looking for and why may be the best thing for both of you.

Mark

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suptscottyb

06-16-2007 06:36:49




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to burnetma, 06-16-2007 04:49:39  
Mark said it. We compete with sport horses. Team roping to cross country eventing - quarter horses to thuroghobreds. They all have diffent needs which vary with their work loads. Feeding is a key part to keeping your horse at peak condition.



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Iowa Jim

06-15-2007 16:08:57




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-15-2007 14:06:54  
Protein is only one of the nutrient components to evaluate. What were the others: ADF, NDF, NSC, Starch?

Jim



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Joe in IN

06-15-2007 22:14:40




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Iowa Jim, 06-15-2007 16:08:57  
NIR ANALYSIS REPORT -ANALYSIS- AS RECEIVED DRYMATTER BASIS BASIS ----- ----- ----- ---- MOISTURE,% 9.73 0.00 DRY MATTER,% 90.27 100.00 CRUDE PROTEIN,% 9.36 10.37 AVAILABLE PROTEIN,% 9.36 10.37 ACID DET. FIBER (ADF),% 35.86 39.72 NEUT. DET. FIBER (NDF),% 56.31 62.37 RELATIVE FEED VALUE (RFV) 86.44 ASH,% 7.19 7.97 FAT,% 2.14 2.37 LIGNIN,% 4.75 5.26 ADF_CP,% 0.63 0.70 NDF_CP,% 1.64 1.81 CRUDE FIBER,% 28.69 31.78 AVAILABLE PROTEIN,% 9.36 10.37 NON-FIBER CARB.,% 16.91 18.73 EQUINE TDN,% 47.86 53.02 EQUINE DE MCAL/LB 0.85 0.94 CALCIUM (Ca),% 0.66 0.73 PHOSPHORUS (P),% 0.25 0.28 POTASSIUM (K),% 2.05 2.27 MAGNESIUM (Mg),% 0.13 0.14

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Iowa Jim

06-16-2007 15:30:03




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-15-2007 22:14:40  
That hay, quite frankly, isn't very good. Without even seeing I know it is full of heads and has to be quite stemmy.

Personally, were that hay on my farm I would be selling it to brood cows producers, not horse owners. Just too indigestible for my preferences.

Jim



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hayray

06-17-2007 04:37:23




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Iowa Jim, 06-16-2007 15:30:03  
I disagree with that. Those ADF and NDF numbers are not too high at all. Maintenance diet for horses should be around 8% CP. It is not brood cow or heifer hay necessarilly but pretty darn good for horse hay. You want to see low hay, I can send you test results of brome in the 5-6% with RFVs in the 50s, they still eat it.



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Joe in IN

06-16-2007 16:47:59




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Iowa Jim, 06-16-2007 15:30:03  
I agree. There were a few stems. It has been so dry the stem to leaf ratio was higher than desired. They called for rain so I didn't cut, but all the rain went around. So goes hay producing.

Two horse customers loves it and want more, the other she just seemed concerned with the low protein.

On the other hand, I produce alfalfa with RFV 150+ and that doesn't seem to make her happy either. She just switched from an alfalfa based hay to wanting more grass. She breeds Dutch Warmbloods(high price hayburner) so I understand she needs good hay. Her wants and desires keep changing though....

In the end I could have sold much more than I produced so I am not that worried about her, but I do always like to please people and she is a high volume customer 1/2 mile down the road.....

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Bob Kerr

06-17-2007 00:21:47




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-16-2007 16:47:59  
Joe, sounds like you might be near Zionsville or towards Westfield. I say that because I heard a few years ago there were a bunch of picky horse owners (city folk)around there who wanted nothing but alfalfa and soon ended up with fat show horses. I was looking to get into the custom baling business (Real small square bales teenage girls could lift) a few years back and kind of glad I didn't.



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Joe in IN

06-17-2007 05:00:36




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Bob Kerr, 06-17-2007 00:21:47  
I know the area, my aunt and uncle live near there and I used to live between Zionsville and brownsburg.

I am in West Lafayette though.... I do understand some(hate to generalize too much) the type that live between Zionsville and westfield.



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1 Dollar/Joey H.

06-17-2007 17:07:39




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-17-2007 05:00:36  
I do live in Zionsville and yes, there are some big / ritzy horse farms around here to say the least. I mowed some timothy hay at a polo pony farm last week for the farmer down the street that I work for, and it was somewhat headed out like JoeBob said his was. Just thought that I would chime in.

Joey



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Bob Kerr

06-17-2007 19:17:45




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to 1 Dollar/Joey H., 06-17-2007 17:07:39  
I have family on my moms side that have lived there since the 1920s at least. Great Grandpa was a mail carrier in town and I wouldn't doubt he carried mail to the whole town back then. a great Aunt was the elementry school nurse, and her husband was the town plumber/fixit guy. As in all places around Indy area, "It just isn't the same anymore".Too many people have moved in from "big citys" and brought bad attitues with them. Sorry to rant. I just really miss how it used to be there.

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RodInNS

06-16-2007 18:55:46




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Joe in IN, 06-16-2007 16:47:59  
I have to laugh at some of the horsey types. Most of them wouldn't know good hay if it hit them in the face.... or at least most of the set I run into don't. I don't want to generalise too much.
Of them, most all are picky....
I was delivering a load to the local CooP the other day. A customer came in and wanted 5 bales out of the trailer that I was unloading into. She sorted through the bunch at the door that we had fired in, turned her nose up at them.... then sorted them off the stack in the other end of the trailer.... and then pulled out some of the bales she had just turned her nose up at a minute before.... and then proceeded to say that this was good hay; far better than the CRAP they had all winter. I was filling that trailer ALL winter, with the same damn hay, off the same field, baled the same day.
None of it was any great hell, but it was fairly consistent....
I don't take any of them too seriously. This stuff was just survival hay for beef cows, and not much more.... but that's about all that's around here that's sold for horses anyway, so it was no different than anything else.... That's the horsey set around here.
This one also wanted round bales, and wanted to know the price and would I deliver 1 bale to her.... an hour and a half, 1 way from my place. I told her if she wants hay, come out, pick her bales, give me cash, and I'll deliver a tandem load.... I'm not taking a load over there and then hauling it home because someone started jewing on the price; a favorite strategy with most of them.

Rod

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suptscottyb

06-15-2007 16:40:46




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 Re: Timothy Hay test results - for a picky horse owner in reply to Iowa Jim, 06-15-2007 16:08:57  
9 to 11% is good for "picky " (knowledgable) horseowners. They supplement hay with grain. Over 13% is cattle feed. Could be a little dry.. Jim's right on the rest of the breakdown.



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