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suptscottyb

06-10-2007 07:18:42




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Has anyone here built a simple rock gathering implement? I'ld like to hear from anyone who has attempted to solve this age old problem. I have 3 to 12 inch rocks coming up every time I disc. Would like to get rid of em, but tired of collecting them by hand. Any info on this subject is appreciated.




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Mattlt

06-13-2007 05:24:44




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
Hire some kids to pick them for a few bucks per hour. It will get them away from their video games for a while.



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cj3b_jeep

06-11-2007 06:01:02




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
I saw onw at my neighbor's farm the other day, he mde it from and old narrow manure bucket and welded big tines on it. He had to back into the rocks to scoop them up. It worked well enough. He did sasy he wished he had as hydraulic top link to tip it easier.



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suptscottyb

06-11-2007 18:56:45




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to cj3b_jeep, 06-11-2007 06:01:02  
Thanks for the reply jeep. That is closer to the poor boy engineering I was lookin' fer. Come on now - I now we've been fightin' rocks since we started plantin'....anymore helpful ideas?



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JaredM

06-11-2007 05:21:18




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
Check out the rock picker Haybuster makes. I haven"t seen the price for a new one but I saw a demo for sale for $25,000. Ain"t cheap but I believe it cheaper than others.



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suptscottyb

06-11-2007 05:19:04




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
Thank you to you all. Enjoyed all you comments. And after reading about cleaning up a glacier path, I don't think I've got it so bad. Will let you all know if I stumble upon a solution.



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RayP(MI)

06-10-2007 20:10:07




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
Here in Potato country, some fields have been on potato production for up to 50 years... Every fall the rocks pile up behind the potato harvesters. And those harvesters do a pretty good job of finding rocks. In other words, you can't win the battle!



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RodInNS

06-10-2007 08:59:05




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
Here....

www.degelman.com



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suptcsottyb

06-10-2007 09:24:54




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to RodInNS, 06-10-2007 08:59:05  
Yeah. Googled rock pickers. Seen all the big machines. Can't justify that kinda $. Seems like someone may have made their own...Thanks



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RodInNS

06-10-2007 09:37:34




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptcsottyb, 06-10-2007 09:24:54  
One thing you will learn with rocks.... they will cost you money, no matter how you pick them. Rock rakes are expensive to buy, and big money to run. Whether you build something, or you buy used, or you buy new, you will pay.
I don't know what the Degelman rake is worth now, or the picker.... but when we bought our RR1500 in '99, I think it was 12,5 ish. Probably 17 or more now with the price of steel and such gone way up.
Sometimes you can pick them up used for 2-5 grand... but you've really got to know what you're buying there. It could be a heap of trouble. Teeth are over 3 grand for a set now unless you make them.... and they're still close to a grand for a good sheet of wear plate.

Honestly, I doubt you could build anything cheaper than you can buy one ready made. It's just expensive equipment.
You could buy a rock fork for a loader and get some mileage from that, but it's not what you need for gathering stone. Decent for rows that a rake has made, and not overly good for that....

Rod

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Hugh Mackay

06-10-2007 14:10:43




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to RodInNS, 06-10-2007 09:37:34  
Rod: I'll vouch for everything you've said in this post. I once picked 21,000 tons of rock off 10 acres for a multi-national corperation. It was near Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, and their engineer told me he wanted 2' of stone free soil on surface. This was 35' above sea level. I advised him, he best go and buy industrial sump pumping equipment, as we were going to be below sea level by the time we achived 2' of stone free soil.

We pulled the rocks to surface with cultivators and chisel plows. The rockpicker we used was one of those 3 point hitch, side conveyor, continuous flow jobs built at Middleton, Nova Scotia. We hauled the rocks away with a Cat pull scraper behind a forestry skidder, and a dump truck. The dump truck only stayed under conveyor while scraper was gone to dump. Rock picker had to travel too slow for dump truck. The balance of time he loaded rocks in the truck too large for picker with front end loader.

We lowered the entire 10 acres 3' and they gave up. It was not stone free by any means. They wanted me to disk it with my 146 Busg Hog. I said you guys buy your own disk, I'll pull it for you.

Rock picking is one of the most expensive farm chores we do, doesn't matter whether you use labor or machine. That cost has reached a point, some land is no longer viable for ag crops. I watch the guys here in SW Ontario, they take 50 hp tractor, 12' trailer, 1/2 dozen young folk and they cover 50 acres in a day only getting a trailer load, far cry from my Dartmouth experience. In fact you can sell those rocks around here. I'll bet you never dreamed of that idea on Boularderie Island

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Ludwig

06-10-2007 19:13:35




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to Hugh Mackay, 06-10-2007 14:10:43  
I believe it. My farm is in Caribou, Maine, we've got the same sort of glacial tilth. Fortunately potatoes don't mind growing around rocks.
I've told my neighbors they can dump their rocks on my land, I've got a gully my uncles tried for years to put a road through. They'd haul in gravel and it'd disappear. I'm going to fill the blasted thing... As long as the raw material is shipped in free its not an expensive project....

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RodInNS

06-10-2007 14:44:15




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to Hugh Mackay, 06-10-2007 14:10:43  
Hugh, No we certainly don't sell the rock. It gets piled into swamps and gullies where we can. If I'm putting down a road base where I need 3 or 4 feet, it gets used for that, but otherwise it's just a nuisance. We did a field last year that was about 16 acres, and removed about 300 yards from the field. We removed probably half as much again years ago when the land was cleared.... and I'm going to do the same again soon, and probably still won't know where I was with the rake. This is all Shulie series soil, and it's loaded with rock. However, once the rock is off the plow layer, it's good soil. Most of our land is this way.... but we do have a small amount o (I think) Falmouth soil on the front of the farm that is nearly stone free, and so steep you'd need to be a mountain goat to walk it. Choices, choices...

So what bright project did they need 2 feet of soil for? Tanks? That was quite an ambitious project, considering the area.
For what it's worth, I figure the cost of operation on our rake to be in the 70 per hour range... thats for an operator, fuel, wear parts, etc. The Degelman likes to eat 100H chain, twist shafts and snap yolks. I'm after upgrading most of the shafts, and it's due for a new slip clutch. It gets pounded pretty hard in these fields. Generally I travel with a spare shaft and a length of 100H in the cab.... Rakes are an expensive operation.

Rod

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phillip d

06-10-2007 07:41:50




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptscottyb, 06-10-2007 07:18:42  
there are rock rakes available.they are pto driven,work like a long rototiller on an angle and windrow rocks and branches so you can pick 'em up with a loader and close tine bucket.better than picking them in newly cleared land.pd



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suptcsottyb

06-10-2007 08:08:02




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to phillip d, 06-10-2007 07:41:50  
Thanks Philip, I have used a landscape rake on this before. It windrowed the rocks, more or less. But it was not easy to scoop up the windrows with out getting alot of soil... Any inventors out there?



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msb

06-10-2007 11:59:05




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to suptcsottyb, 06-10-2007 08:08:02  
A rock bucket for a loader or skid steer is relatively inexpensive,quick and easy especially on a skid steer where you can see what you are doing.



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suptscottyb

06-10-2007 14:12:14




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 Re: rocks rocks rocks in reply to msb, 06-10-2007 11:59:05  
Yeah. I looked at the skeleton buckets. I could see it on a bobcat where you can see what you're doin' out front. Price was 2800 plus mounts for my loader and you really can't see all that well, the newer skiploaders are all hood. I was thinking about making something for the 3 pt.



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