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Wrapping dry round bales

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Shovelman

06-04-2007 05:46:23




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After several years of toying with the idea of making round bales, we bought a nice NH BR730 Silage Special round baler from a neighbor, along with a NH haybine and an older wrapper that wraps the rounds in a long tube. Paid $9k for the whole shebang which seemed like a pretty good deal.

We plan to make haylage for ourselves and a couple of our customers who raise beef, but was wondering how we could store & market dry rounds.

Our barn space is taken up by small squares that we sell to horse people, so here's the question: Can you wrap dry rounds and store them outside? Will they sweat & mold? Is there a downside to this hare-brained idea?

We have fed wrapped hayage that we have bought and I noticed a few that were put up too dry and they didn't ensile, but looked, smelled and fed out great. Would this happen with dry (15 -25% moisture) bales?

Any advice will be appreciated.

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Scott

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Shovelman

06-06-2007 04:03:40




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Shovelman, 06-04-2007 05:46:23  

Thanks for all the advice!

Scott



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wayne from wi

06-05-2007 16:04:48




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Shovelman, 06-04-2007 05:46:23  
I used to occasionally wrap dry bales for the same reason. I had a Grays tubeline wrapper. What I did was put a couple light wraps in the middle of the bales to shed rain, and leave a gap of plastic at the edge of each bale (at bale joints) as they go through the wrapper to let the hay breathe. No mold or mustiness if the hay was 16% or less. Wayne



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RodInNS

06-04-2007 19:35:57




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Shovelman, 06-04-2007 05:46:23  
I dunno.... We tried wrapping some hay one year. These were individually wrapped rather than inline... They sweated and developed a slime over them. I don't remember exactly how they turned out, but it wasn't positive enough for round two.
I do see a lot of hay wrapped in tubes with the inline wrappers though, and the ends are left open. Dunno how it works, but I do see quite a bit of it done, so there must be something to it.
I have also wrapped them individually and left the ends open, and that works quite well... but i think at the end of the day you're further ahead to build a barn if this is for a long term thing.

If you're wrapping round bale silage, you want the moisture at around 50 %.... and probably as low at 40%. Somewhere in that range. Wetter can work. Drier can sometimes work.... but you often sacrifice something. Too wet and they get slimy and rancid. Too dry and they entrap too much air... and carmelise rather than ensile. So do try to hit around that 50 % range, and wrap them right away. Wrapping them soon after baling is one of the biggest factors to success with that system.... I've wrapped a lot of bales over the years, and few things have consistently produced poor results as late wrapping.


Rod

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Fordfarmer

06-04-2007 10:56:52




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Shovelman, 06-04-2007 05:46:23  
I wouldn't say I'm any expert, but I do have several years' experience wrapping with an H&S Linewrap. As long as you're getting enough layers of plastic and nothing is putting holes in it, there shouldn't be any mold. Period. Mold needs oxygen to grow, and the whole point is to seal oxygen out to allow fermentation. I've done some bales so wet that they were dripping, on down to about 25% moisture. Some guys around here have done dry hay (under 15%)also. Only downside I see is the cost of the plastic and disposing of hte plastic... One positive of the inline type wrappers vs. individual stlye is that inline use about 1/3 less plastic.

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Cole in VA

06-04-2007 09:38:30




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Shovelman, 06-04-2007 05:46:23  
Scott,

We started wrapping a little hay two years ago, so im trying to get better at wrapping myself. First year we baled too wet and it came out a soupy, moldy mess. What was put up during 2006 was at the other end, probably between 20-25% moisture. The hay was dry to the touch, and the outside six inches or so of the bales had a little mold, but the bales smelled sweet like silage, and the cattle really licked it up. This year, we have wrapped around 150 bales so far and it has been all over the board, from probably 20% moisture up to 60%, so I will see how it all turns out.

Hopefully after seeing how it turns out this year I will have a better idea. Everything I have read says dont wrap below 25-30% moisture, but then ive heard neighbors who wrap everything, from dry hay right on up to 65% moisture and they dont seem to have any problems.

I dont know if there is any difference in using a tubline wrapper like we use, or individual wrappers.

Also, ive heard that you need to wrap round bales within several hours of baling. Unfortunately because of my work schedule, we usually get the hay baled in the evenings, moved off late that night, and not wrapped until the next morning when my custom wrapper shows up. This could affect quality some also.

I would also appreciate any advice others out there have to offer.

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Tx Jim

06-04-2007 09:10:46




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Shovelman, 06-04-2007 05:46:23  
I think 25% moisture hay will mold if wrapped or not wrapped. I don't bale hay that's not for haylage at over 17%. Tx Jim



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Hay DR

06-05-2007 07:13:23




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 Re: Wrapping dry round bales in reply to Tx Jim, 06-04-2007 09:10:46  
Jim is dead on for dry hay. If wrapping dry hay you had better get the moisture at 12% or below or you will have problems.

Haylage will have it's best results when baled between 40-55% moisture range. If you are above or below this range you risk having Botulism and other harmful bacteria in the halage and that will eventually kill your livestock.
Too much moisture waters down the sugar content and the curing process in this situation will not kill all the harmful bacteria. Too little moisture limits the ability for sugar to promote the anaerobic bacteria to react and totally cure of the package of haylage.

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