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bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round baler

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Yellott Canby

06-01-2007 19:03:49




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Hello, Been having a lot of trouble with bent apron tubes on my 851 round baler. Seems they are all bent the same way. Is this caused by over filling or baling too many barrel shaped bales? Been rying to avoid both. I find the tubes are also working loose which I figure is caused by them being bent and working to hard against the rubber rollers.
Been straightening them and replacing worn bolts with 1 1/2" x 5/16 grade 8 's. Any other ideas.
thanks, YC

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Allan In NE

06-02-2007 03:42:21




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Yellott Canby, 06-01-2007 19:03:49  
Boy, I dunno.

Sure don't wanna disagree with John or Old 'cause I really, really respect both of these guys and hang on their every word.

However, that 851 is a hay makin' brute and was designed/built to handle hay. You should be able to build crooked bales the rest of your days if you so desire and not hurt the baler in the least.

That symptom just "screams" loose chain, frozen roller bearing(s), bent chain axle, misalignment or out of adjustment main chain.

Pay particular attention to the tension on the chain when the baler is "empty". If it is too loose, links/bars need to be removed to allow it back into specs.

The chain should never, ever touch anything but hay. No contact with any rubber rollers, strippers, or anything else on the baler for that matter. All that chain should ever touch is it's drive sprokets, guides, chain rollers and the darned hay.

Also, check all of the drive chains. Loose/stretched drive chains can bend the bars like a pretzel.

Are you using the self-locking nuts on the bar bolts? Are those forming cams working properly and are they aligned to properly reset to the chain as they should when the door comes down?

Don't want to be an alarmist, but it sure sounds to me like your main chain has stretched to the point that it is just about ready to exit the baler the hard way.

You certainly don't want that, 'cause that big, flyin' chain has a very nasty habit of taking sheet metal with it when it goes. :>(

Hope ya get 'er goin',

Allan

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Yellott Canby

06-02-2007 17:49:09




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Allan In NE, 06-02-2007 03:42:21  
Hello,
Thank you all for all your help. The chain does seem a little out of line. On the drive axle, the big one at the bottom with the cogs it appears to be staight and line up perfectly. By the time it comes to the top of the baler it seems half a tooth or more off. The chain itself is the CA557 type, the heavy one I believe. Doesn't seem too worn to me though it is fairly old. Could be wishful thinking on my part. I did use self locking nuts on the grade 8 bolts on the tubes. On the bale forming cams, how long are they good for before they need replaced?

When working the baler does seem tough and will bale nearly anything. It is used in the steep hayfields here in Appalacian Ohio. Iwould sure like to replace it with a net wrap belt type baler but that may be a ways off. Thanks again for your help.
YC

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old

06-02-2007 07:11:44




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Allan In NE, 06-02-2007 03:42:21  
Allan the reason I said what I did is because of what the manual for my 850 says. The book says you need to either windrow 2 rows so the baler is baleing full with of the pick up or you have do weave back and forth. As per the book it say you can damage the baler if you don't make even bales, I.E. bent bars. My self I can't be sure because I always bale and drive like I'm drunk so I don't know if what the books says is right or wrong but I also don't plan to find out LOL

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Allan In NE

06-02-2007 07:37:35




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to old, 06-02-2007 07:11:44  
Yeah, I know.

When I see one of those "wedges" come out, it reminds me of those Holstein cows giving birth. LOL!

Allan



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old

06-02-2007 12:30:14




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Allan In NE, 06-02-2007 07:37:35  
I know for sure the old Allis roto balers where real bad about makeing ice cream cone bales if you didn't do things right. The one I had years ago was a pain in the back sides to use and I got rid of it as fast as I could after tring it one time



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RodInNS

06-02-2007 06:17:24




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Allan In NE, 06-02-2007 03:42:21  
Allan, I agree with ya on this one. The old baler should bale all the crooked bales a fella wants to bale, and never bend a bar.
There's somethin' going on there, and it's more than how it's being fed. I don't have much first hand experience with fixing the chain jobs.... but I think I'd suspect one stretched chain, or a chain a tooth or two ahead of the other, or something along those lines.
You're not short of experience on these things, so you can make a far better educated guess than me!

Rod

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Allan In NE

06-02-2007 06:40:45




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to RodInNS, 06-02-2007 06:17:24  
I always kinda liked that old 851.

Guess it's only "drawback" would be that the floor chains and those floor "flipper" plates were later updated to the big floor roller, which makes 'em a bit "old school".

Doggoned things sure will still bale the hay tho. Even if they are 'bout 40 years old. :>)

Allan

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Reid Anderson

06-04-2007 21:16:47




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Allan In NE, 06-02-2007 06:40:45  
hey fellows i just drug an 851 out of a freinds barn tonight. found this sight and am intrested in more info on getting her going again. would like to know where to get some manuals if yall could help thanks reid



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R. John Johnson

06-01-2007 21:40:31




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Yellott Canby, 06-01-2007 19:03:49  
Yellot

Any barrel shaped bales are too many. When you make your windrow it should either be full width of the pickup or about half the width of the pickup. If it is full width drive straight and centered. This is not a very common situation. If you are baling the half or under windrow steer the tractor so that the hay feeds one side of the pickup. I go about 10 seconds on a side, then steer so the other side is being filled. Ten seconds later steer back. If you do this the center of the bale will fill itself and you will have nice square shouldered bales.

John

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old

06-01-2007 20:52:12




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 Re: bent apron tubes on Hew Holland 851 round bale in reply to Yellott Canby, 06-01-2007 19:03:49  
You say you get barrel shaped bales. That means you are not doing things right. Heres how you need to drive to get a good bale. Go and drink a 6 pack then go out and bale. You need to weavy back and forth over the windrow from one sid to the other or you get bad bales and also harm the baler. NO DOn" drink and drive a tractor but you get the idea. Gewt a manaul for the baler and yes you can still get them. I use a NH850 and the manual explians how to rake the hay and also how to drive the tractor

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