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Changing a horse drawn wagon wheel

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TPohl

05-27-2007 03:22:26




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I acquired a horse drawn wagon a couple years ago. Two of the wheels are bad where they were sitting in the dirt in a barn for fifty years. I found two replacements but I'm not sure how you take them off the wagon. There is a Lag bolt in the center of the wheel that I took out. Now it looks like a square piece that needs to come out? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Tim

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Leroy

05-27-2007 13:56:05




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 Re: Changing a horse drawn wagon wheel in reply to TPohl, 05-27-2007 03:22:26  
First off on both the wood wheel and the low steel wheel wagons the metal part on the wood axle is called a Skein and is tapered, smaller at the outer end and at the end of the taper it will reduce in size a bit down to a set of threads, right hand on right and left hand on left so that the foward movement ov the wagon will keep the wheels tight. There have been times thatin backing or if somebody turned an axle arount the nut would work loose and fall of then the wheel would also fall of. Then there is a lag bolt screwed into the center of the skein to keep the skein fron working of the end of the wood axle. The lag bolt would be a 1/2" bolt with a 3/4" head and the threads in the nut that hold the wheel on would be at least an 1 1/2" with the square outside part of the nut 2 1/4" or more if a heavier wagon and that nut is a flanged nut that the flange runs against the outside end if the hub to hold the wheel on but that nut is resesed into the hub and you cannot get on it with anything but a wheel wrench. Now to tell you how to make that wheel wrench take a piece of flat steel at least 5/16" thick and the width of the flat surface on the nut, now taper each end of that flat piece so it will fit against the flange on the back side of the nut and now see how buch you need to stick out past the end of the hub, now at each spot that both ends of the flat iron reach out to bend it at a 90* angle, now make those to prongs the same width apart as the size of the nut, now weld a bar to that piece you have just made for a handle, the longer the easier to turn. A cressent as well as not being big enough for that nut will not fit in to the resess of that wheel. Now on the sqein's there is no common denominator fom from one wagon to the next for length, small diameter and large diameter ends. and wheels different in size as well. The small wheels always go on the front wheels.

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Jim in Ma.

05-27-2007 07:10:24




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 Re: Changing a horse drawn wagon wheel in reply to TPohl, 05-27-2007 03:22:26  
Yes Sam is rite, but - the inside of the hub is called a boxing that meets the axel. The hard part is to find another set of wheels to fit.
Jim



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Sam#3

05-27-2007 06:20:39




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 Re: Changing a horse drawn wagon wheel in reply to TPohl, 05-27-2007 03:22:26  
There are several variations of horse drawn wagons all the way from the old woodens to all steel with steel drop center wheel with rubber tires. I'll take a wag you have one with wooden wheels on a wooden frame. The 'Square pieces' are the nuts. Back then off with the wheel wrench. Remember the left side is a left-hand thread. I've never seen one with lag bolts. Maybe that�s an add-on or the manufactures way of securing the thimble.

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TPohl

05-27-2007 06:44:43




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 Re: Changing a horse drawn wagon wheel in reply to Sam#3, 05-27-2007 06:20:39  
Yes mine has wooden wheels on a wooden frame. The only thing I have to back those off is a cresent wrench. I will give it a try.

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Tim



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KRUSS1

05-27-2007 13:20:54




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 Re: Changing a horse drawn wagon wheel in reply to TPohl, 05-27-2007 06:44:43  
Hammer and punch for the squares.



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