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New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joint

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Chuck, WA

05-26-2007 19:38:09




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I have a New Idea sickle mower that I believe to be a model 30. It was converted from towed to 3-pt before I bought it. The break away went with the conversion, and the mechanical lift is missing parts so never did work. Nevertheless, I've been using it for several years to mow a few acres of grass hay. Even with such little use, it averages one or two breakdowns a year.

I've managed to keep up with them, but this time the cast part at the outboard end of the Pitman that is one half of the female end of the ball joint broke. If you are familiar with such, it broke at the inboard end of the slot that the adjustment cam is in.

A friend who is a very good welder tig welded it with a high quality rod and expected that the weld was now at least as strong as the original. It held up for perhaps a half acre, then the weld metal broke at the same place. That suggests that something else is not right putting too much stress on that part.

I'm looking for suggestions - replacement part, replace it with a modern ball joint adapted to fit, buy a replacement mower. What else should be looked at to prevent the same in the future? Other?

I suspect that I've never quite had the mower properly set up. It has all new sections, and I generally adjust the clearance between the sections and the ledger plates every cutting. Ledger plates are not very sharp, but still, it jams much more often that I would expect.

The lips of the female part of the ball joint are worn, particularly at the bottom on the side that broke. The snugness of the ball joint, after tightening using the cam, no longer holds, possibly because the detents in the cam are worn. To keep the ball joint from slipping out, I wrapped a piece of fairly stout wire around the two halves of the joint just inside the ball socket. That seemed to cure that problem, but the better solution is a new ball joint.

Another problem is that cut gets caught between the wheel that the inboard end of the Pitman is attached to, and the hub that rides on the shaft an dis attached to the Pitman. As it wraps, it adds to the turning resistance and can get tight enough to cause the slip clutch to slip - jammed!

Suggestions on any of the above are very much appreciated.

Thanks!
Chuck, WA

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Don-Wi

05-26-2007 23:13:34




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 Re: New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joi in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-26-2007 19:38:09  
I'd have to look out in the shop to see but I know we have a pitman stick for grandpa's old NI sicklebar that has long since been scrapped out, and I think it has that female end on it yet. Better yet we have a whole mess of guards, ledger plates, and sickle sections I believe that fit hanging on an old wire on the wall. I would have to compare them with the ones on the old sickle bar we've got in the rafters of the grainary. I know there are 2 new guards in there, the rest are used. Some are in god shape some are not. If you want the whole mess I could snap a few pictures of what we've got.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Chuck, WA

05-27-2007 21:13:54




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 Re: New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joi in reply to Don-Wi, 05-26-2007 23:13:34  
Don...maybe you don't want to bother...bought a MF Model 31 today and while it's not field ready, looks like it will be a better mower when I get it worked over a bit. Hopefully be able to get it good enough to mow with in a day or two.

Thanks...don't expect I'll want to do anything with the NI, at least not soon. Too busy right now.

Thanks for the offer.

Chuck, WA



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Don-Wi

05-27-2007 23:52:15




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 Re: New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joi in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-27-2007 21:13:54  
I'll probably still go out and look- I'd be willing to sell for $25 plus shipping. I have a couple flat rate USPS boxes, cost is bout $9 to ship, but the pitman stick won't fit. Everything else should though.

If you don't take the parts, I think I'll just put 'em up on ebay and see what they bring- or I could make my boss an offer on a NI he's got with a busted pitman... Fix it and sell it...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Chuck, WA

05-28-2007 05:46:21




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 Re: New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joi in reply to Don-Wi, 05-27-2007 23:52:15  
Don...OK, if you can post pic(s), I'd take a look and see what looks like a fit, and if it does, would probably take you up on the offer. On the pitman, I mostly need the ball joint casting, so if you could take it off, would that fit then? The stick would be nice and might be worth sending separately. Let's see what might be useful for me then talk about it. If I can get the NI working again, might make a good back up, or I might be able to sell it for more than just parts.

What's this flat-rate shipping thing? I don't ship a lot, so never heard of such a thing. Must be some size or weight limitation? I'd be interested to know. I'll check UPS web page also.

Thanks again!
Chuck, WA

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Don-Wi

05-28-2007 22:00:55




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 Re: New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joi in reply to Chuck, WA, 05-28-2007 05:46:21  
Send me an email. the flat-rate shipping is prom the US post office, it's a pre-determined box, predetermined and can be had from the post office for free. They're the same cubic inches, just different dimensions. Price is somewhere around $8.50-$9.00, but there is no weight limit, as long as you don't cut or modify the box in any way.

I tried posting a pic in the parts & peices but for now it must be down. I can email you some of the pictures I took- [email protected] - The stick is the only thing that wouldn't fit in one of those boxes because it's too long, but separate shipping might be worth it. I can't remember where I put the guards and ledger plates for now, but I know they're around somewhere.

The end that grabs onto the ball of the sickel has an eccentric ring in there right? Turns out in the wire full of sickle sections there is a second eccentric to go with the one on the pitman. The sections don't look like the ones on the sickle bar in the rafters, but that it has the eccentric part with it makes me think ithey are for the NI. they're just shorter than normal ones to the point of the edge. Top serrated and still shiney between the sections on the wire so they're brand new.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Chuck, WA

05-27-2007 06:51:58




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 Re: New Idea Sickle Mower - broken Pitman ball joi in reply to Don-Wi, 05-26-2007 23:13:34  
Don...I'd sure appreciate if you'd send along pictures. I'd be happy to send pics of mine to save you the trouble, but it's been a bad month for broken stuff! We were on a 2-1/2 week vacation to NY and PA to visit kids and grandkids and my digital camera died during the first week. Turns out it's a bad CCD that was recalled, so it's boxed to go to UPS on Tuesday for replacement. Sometimes these troubles come in groups! :) Anyhow, I'd really appreciate a look and guestimate what you'd want for them in addition to shipping. I have no idea what shipping might cost, but let's start with what you want for them.

The retired school teacher who refurbishes tractors and implements that I bought my MF 35 from has a MF sickle mower that I'm taking a look at today. It is belt driven, not Pitman, so may be a model 41, which is a good mower from what I've read on this forum. Depending on what I find, I may be very interested in your parts, or may have my own NI for sale as a parts mower.

Please post pics here in the implements gallery, or send to [email protected].

Thanks!
Chuck, WA

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