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S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE

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bill cox

05-15-2007 20:19:15




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YES,HELLO ,I AM NEEDING SOME HELP WITH GETTING MY BALER BACK UP AND RUNNING .FIRST OFF IT HAS ALREADY BROKE A SET OF NEDDLES THE FRONT SET,SO IT IS WAY OUT OF TIME.I ALSO NEED A MANUAL ON THIS BALER CAN ANYONE HELP WITH THIS ,THANKS ,BILL




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Joe(TX)

05-16-2007 07:21:21




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 Re: S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE in reply to bill cox, 05-15-2007 20:19:15  
You can get a manual direct from New Holland online. The manual for the wire twisters is seperate from the blaer manual.
I'm not sure what you mean by the front set of needles.



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johns48jdb

05-16-2007 04:52:36




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 Re: S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE in reply to bill cox, 05-15-2007 20:19:15  
most of the time when you break a set on needles the dog that should be coming up to catch the plunger to keep it from hitting the needles isn"t working properly. most of the ih ones i"ve ran had a place to keep it greased, so check to see if its been greased and working up and down freely.



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Rexalot

05-16-2007 21:56:36




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 Re: S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE in reply to johns48jdb, 05-16-2007 04:52:36  
What is ment by "front" needles? If I were to guess I'm going to assume that you broke the first pair of tine bar fingers when they came into contact with the plunger and not your actual "needles" that feed twine into the knotters. At any rate, this is the book version on how to time your baler. (Kelly C used to have a web site with instructions and pictures but the link is broke... sorry I don't have that)

Ok, lets find the timing marks on your baler. Any references to left or right will be as if your standing behind the baler...

To find the plunger timing marks, lift the front tin "hood" that covers the plunger. In the top of the frame on the right side there will be two notches cut into the frame about three inches apart. If they aren't there (if your baler has rust they might not be visable)you can still figure out the proper place by turning the flywheel clockwise until your plunger crank is vertical on the compression stroke.

Next, find your tine bar timing marks. (Tine bar/tine fingers move hay into the bale chamber)
Standing at the rear of the baler on the right side adjacent to the knotter brake. Open the access panel. In the frame about 2 to 4 inches from the left side of the access cut out will be the tine bar marks. These are just like the plunger marks, little notches cut in the frame. You want the attach point where the tine bar hooks to the chain to be between these marks with the plunger set vertical between it's marks. (My baler still has the factory decal at this location showing this... maybe yours will to)

If your out of time here, the only way I know how to adjust this is by loosening the tine bar drive gears (the bolt to do this is in the twine ball chamber) and moving the chain over the gear teeth until you get it where you want, then tension the chain properly making sure you end up in the marks.

With both of these set, now is the time to check knotter and needle timing. On the left side of the knotter, look for two horizontal lines on your knotter clutch. These marks should be no more that 1/4 inch apart. If they aren't, to adjust you need to remove the long drive chain and rotate the clutch until both lines are lined up. Reassemble and then manually trip the knotters. If you were good to go...

Next step is checking needle timing. While turning the baler by hand to cycle the knotters (either go slow or get help with this) watch the needles as they enter the bottom of the chamber. When then points of the needles are about 7/16 of an inch in from the bottom of the chamber, stop. Check to see that the points on the plunger have not gone more than 3/4 of an inch past. If you would need to adjust, its the rod on the side that connects needles to the knotter cam, this should be obvious. If your good, continue through the knot cycle. This is also a good time to make sure your plunger stop is functional. The plunger stop is located on the left side of the bale chamber. Make sure it moves in and out FREELY.

After a completed tying cycle, the horizontal lines on the knotter clutch should be back within 1/4 inch. Put the plunger crank back into the vertical position on the compression stroke and your tine bar should be back in it's marks.

Sorry for the long post, but how else can I explain. I would get yourself a manual when you have the opportunity.

Just for reference tine's are about $18 at the NH dealer. The set that may have been broken should be mounted about 2 inches from the end of the square part of the tine bar. Any other questions?

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Rexalot

05-16-2007 22:01:22




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 Re: S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE in reply to Rexalot, 05-16-2007 21:56:36  
Forget the references to twine... I forgot you have a wire baler... I'm trying to picture the wire tying mechanism from memory. All my NH balers are twine, but I think the clutch drive is the same...

Anyone help me out here?



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bill cox

05-17-2007 12:23:10




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 Re: S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE in reply to Rexalot, 05-16-2007 22:01:22  
hey thanks rexalot,thanks for all the info.on this baler,i have worked on alot of baler ,but this was my first on like this ,and being wire tie really threw me off ,but i have it now ,i think,only thing is i have tripped it manually to see if it ties rite it seems to but only thing is once it ties it seems to hang on the needles where it twists around it,and it is hard to pull it out the back it just mite be me ,never working with this type baler,but any help is greatly appeactated ,and thanks for all the info you have already sent and wrote,thanks a bushel,Bill

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Rexalot

05-17-2007 20:15:02




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 Re: S68 SQUARE BALER WIRE TIE in reply to bill cox, 05-17-2007 12:23:10  
I've not had any experience with the wire type knotters, all my balers (2 NH's - S67 and a 68 and an Oliver 520) use twine, so I will have to crack open my owners manuals and I'll see what I can find out on why your wire would hang up on the twisters.

I'll try to post up something in the AM.

Jeff



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