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Shane Louderbac

03-28-2007 04:24:21

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I am thinking about purchasing a hay inverter for my alfalfa hay operation that I bale and sell for the horse industry. I bale about 10,000 bales a year and the issue I have is trying to dry down the second and third cutting, since it is so humid here in Ohio in the summer. I have a tedder but it seems that it is pretty hard on the leaves and I want to reduce the leaf lose. Has anyone ever used one and are they worth the money? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

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Blue Buddy

03-30-2007 18:21:43

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to Shane Louderback, 03-28-2007 04:24:21

144 and 166 are basically the same design, get one with the extra table and set 2 rows side by side for easy 1 pass baling of lighter crops, and a hydraulic table drive kit gives nice control, earlier 144 units might have weaker frames for the chute, apron belt can go bad at the laces on any of them, and pickup spiders, cams etc can wear the same as a baler we use a lot of em in this area (east of Lake Huron in Ontario with high humidity as well) for dairy guys with lots of alfalfa, gently moves the crop reducing leaf loss, has a reasonable ground speed, and can handle decent size windrows, stands the crop up nice to get more air movement for drying, and moves it to a new area of ground as well, the DION is just starting to appear in this area, but I do not think it is a whole lot easier on the leaves, but that is just my opinion around here tedders are just to violent for this type of work with a partly dried crop due to the leaf loss, fine on it just after cutting, but to roll it over and fluff it for better drying after partly dry the inverter is the choice i think

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Sid

03-28-2007 21:36:22

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to Shane Louderback, 03-28-2007 04:24:21

I see all these comment about how a tedder ruins alfalfa. What kind of tedder are you guys using. I have used a tedder some on alfalfa and red clover it worked great. They can be adjusted to suit the crop and conditions. It is my opinion, if you are knocking a lot of leaves off like i keep reading about, it is too dry to ted. One day I noticed a guy running a tedder in about a three acre field. Came back about two hours later he was still running it. I was talking to him about a week later and he was cussing the tedder said it ruined his hay, knocked all the leaves off was a grass, red clover mix. Then he said had to run the d-- thing over three times before it was dry enough to bale. Not knocking anybody's way of thinking but just wondering why all the bad comments about tedders when I have had and have seen several others have good results with them.

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RickL

03-29-2007 05:18:16

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to Sid, 03-28-2007 21:36:22

Sid; yea you probably right leaves fall off i am sure if you wait to long to ted. I tried it once right behind the mowco thinking due it while it still really tuff but then it just lays on the ground so tight i did n't see the point was better leaving it in windrow. Just did few rounds to experiment. Its just not the tool for me. My hay goes all to the buying public,you have to have eye appeal.

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Fern(Mi)

03-28-2007 18:01:04

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to Shane Louderback, 03-28-2007 04:24:21

If I may jump in here, we've a NH #144(?) inverter. I'm not impressed. I've got an antic AC#7 (pictured) the most often used. What a grand machine. Two speed PTO driven plus reversed driven tedder. and we've a traditional old IH 5 bar used only for grass hay, as I don't want to wear the AC#7 out. My favorite (AC#7) is so very versatile as to what it will/can do with an imaginative operator useing it. With least effort this PTO driven rake in low gear can stand hay on edgethe alfalfa never leaving the ground. I've never used any machine gentler. For cross ventilation air drying.
There's a better inverter out there than the NH#144 or NH#166. The Dion may be one, I�ve seen this machine in North Branch Mi. It has belt pickup for gentll handling alfalfa hay. Pricey to say the least it was beyond our budget for sure. Fernan

Dion here.

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RickL

03-28-2007 05:58:15

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to Shane Louderback, 03-28-2007 04:24:21

I will agree with you I do same thing,when not in shop assembling machinery. In fact assembling a tedder today, I am like you thou I tried one of these last year and not again it just ruins good alfalfa in my eyes. i am looking into inverter that also recrimps maybe. But I am like you the inverter would be nice at some times I think also. it s a tough problem to try to handle I know that

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shane louderback

03-28-2007 06:57:49

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to RickL, 03-28-2007 05:58:15

Also, what about a rotary rake? I imagine those would be tough on the leaves as well? I have never used one so I would not know how well they do or do not work.

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shane louderback

03-28-2007 06:57:40

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to RickL, 03-28-2007 05:58:15

Also, what about a rotary rake? I imagine those would be tough on the leaves as well? I have never used one so I would not know how well they do or do not work.

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RickL

03-28-2007 16:14:10

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to shane louderback, 03-28-2007 06:57:40

Shane; I like the looks of them but have yet tried on or even seen one in my area. So far I like the wheel rakes and especially the bifold units. Only the ones that fold forward and pull like wagon not the units that fold up like butterfly. Ones used last season after assemble were fourteen wheel jobs seven to side. Love those units, but not the price tag. Will have one thou in year or two. As some year old units are already coming back as trade ins. most of the time the person just quit hay baling

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Cliff Neubauer

03-28-2007 09:12:20

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Re: New Holland Hay Inverter in reply to shane louderback, 03-28-2007 06:57:40

I think a rotary rake is going to be the second most gentle way of moving hay after an inverter. You would think that the way a rotary rake moves the hay across the ground that it would brush off alot of leaves but I think what makes them work so good is that the hay is only handled one time from the time it's pulled from the old windrow until it's dumped in the new windrow. A wheel rake handles the hay one time for every wheel and a bar rake probably handles the hay 40-50 times across the width of the rake.

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