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JR in TX

03-17-2007 08:44:46

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Ok I need some opinions I have never used either of these machines, but I'm going to be cutting 72 acres of sudan hybrid for hay. One dealer has the 489 for 1550 and another dealer has the 411 for 5900. I have not looked a either one yet I just wanted to know what to look for. Price doesn't really matter I just want little to no break downs. I will also be cutting grass hay with which ever one I get. So which is more reliable and does a good job. Also I'm not concerned about regrowth, I'll keep the blades sharp.

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Dave Sherburne NY

03-18-2007 07:18:41

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to JR in TX, 03-17-2007 08:44:46

489 is a haybine with sickle bar 411 is a discbine
The 411 will take more Horsepower what will you pull
it with??

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JR in TX

03-18-2007 07:48:54

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to Dave Sherburne NY, 03-18-2007 07:18:41

I will pull it with a late model 3020 diesel. That's in the 70hp range.

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RodInNS

03-17-2007 10:13:51

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to JR in TX, 03-17-2007 08:44:46

If I had to guess, then I'd say you'll probably have less trouble with the 411..... . It's certainly priced on the higher side of what that vintage machine will bring, so it ought to be good.... but there's no guarntee's on that. Could blow up tomorrow and cost a lot of money.
The 489 is on the low side for a good working machine, so you'll need to go over that with a fine tooth comb to make sure it's actually in shape to work....
Generally, discbines are good till they blow, provided that the bar's are maintenanced, and not beat around in rocky fields. Then you'll be changing blades, skid shoes, discs, and shafts, in that order, if you're determined to cut rock. That's not a bar I'd want to change shafts in....
Sickle bars seem to get by with knife and guard changes, things like that. In decent conditions, discbines cut faster, last longer, and require less maintenance.....
I'd go with a discbine regardless, but that's me.

Rod

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georgeky

03-17-2007 08:48:41

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to JR in TX, 03-17-2007 08:44:46

If price doesn't matter why don't you get a new one,with a warranty?

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JR in TX

03-17-2007 09:13:17

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to georgeky, 03-17-2007 08:48:41

Well I meant that I can spend 5900 or 1550 and that was fine but not 18000 which is what the dealer told me the other day. I know they are old but I just wanted to know which one would break down less.

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RickB

03-17-2007 13:29:48

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to JR in TX, 03-17-2007 09:13:17

"I just wanted to know which one would break down less"
That can't be accurately predicted with a good visual going-over, let alone over the internet. Me, i'd check over the 411 well and hope the cutterbed doesn't grenade in the first 25 acres. The thought of mowing sorghum/sudan with a $1500 489 doesn't interest me in the least.

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RodInNS

03-18-2007 19:58:31

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to RickB, 03-17-2007 13:29:48

I'll second that. I've seen a few 1500 buck mo/co's, and the thought of mowing anything with them doesn't interest me. Never done anything with Sudan..... but I gather it takes the most of a machine? Tall, tangled, heavy late first crop mixed alfalfa/timothy is the killer here. That stuff is hard enough on a good discbine, never mind some fricken old mo/co.... Done that in low gear with a 4000. Not fun....
Also, a fella would really want 80+ in front of that discbine. On the right day, 70 will run it, but she's gonna be blowin' smoke. Lots and lots of smoke.

Rod

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JR in TX

03-18-2007 07:51:54

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to RickB, 03-17-2007 13:29:48

I knew you couldn't judge the individual machine, but if one was a bad design that didn't stay in production very long or somthing like that is what I was looking for. Thanks

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RickB

03-18-2007 12:50:23

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to JR in TX, 03-18-2007 07:51:54

From a design standpoint, not much wrong with either. A 411 will be a load for a late 3020 especially in a tall, thick crop such as Sudax. I grew up on a '71 3020 synchro.

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Ken Macfarlane

03-19-2007 06:08:33

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Re: nh 489 vs.411 in reply to RickB, 03-18-2007 12:50:23

I'll add that you need to go over the conditioning rolls too. A pair of rolls on the 489 is about 2000$ in my area and it is near useless once they peel. It will clog and jam and drive you crazy.

Also check if the cutter bar bed is straight, ours has had a big hit sometime in its life and is bent. Wears bad. Where the tongue attaches to the 489 is a weak spot too, check for poor welding repairs.

A 489 in top notch condition cuts well, but one out of adjustment will drive you insane trying to get your crop cut in a timely manner.

For haybines my personal preference is the type with the stacked rubber disc conditionor rolls (last forever) and the rolls attached to the header so there are fewer driveshafts and parts. They don't follow the ground as well but are way simpler.

As for discbines, the NI 5209 and equivalent Hesston and MF models are low hp machines and weigh less than a 411. I don't think they are built as heavy though but you can spin them on 60 hp fine in fairly flat land.

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