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Min tillage with row cultivator

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Dave from MN

03-08-2007 04:47:37




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Have any of you tried taking a row crop cultivator(3PT) and pulling a conventional planter behind it?I was thinking if you set the tines and maybe added trash wheels adjusted so they are inline with planter disc, that I could get a fairly decent planting into sandier soils like mine. Just trying to plan the most cost effective min till planting I can for this spring. Any one ever done this?? pic would great along with disasters or successes.

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IaGary

03-08-2007 17:46:31




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
One more thing I might add after reading the other replies.

When you go out to plant, plant.

And when you go out to till,till.

Less things to worry about and it works.

Has worked since we came to this country in the 1600's.

Gary



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Leroy

03-08-2007 17:10:03




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
The best would be if you had a front mount row crop cultivator instead of a rear mount. Either could have the shovels set to work like a field cultivator, the problem with the rear mount would be when you raised the cultivator to turn at row end it would lift the toung of the planter and therefore not be able to let you lift the planter out of the ground, now you could eliminate that problem by using a dolly wheel like for a hay rake and having the planter hooked to that so the hitch of the planter would stay at the same drawbar level at all times. On my planter I had what is called a Midwest planter harrow that mounted directly to the frame of the planter, it extended the hitch about 5 feet forward and had 2 rows of spring tines like on a cultimulcher to work all the ground in front of the planter. My ground is clay and likes to crust hard and with that setup if the ground was worked ready to plant and a rain came and crusted the ground I did not have to take the time to go out and work the field before I could start to plant, just go in with the planter with harrow and had it done. Now if you are talking just work a strip infront of the rows years ago Garber Seeders made units to put on the front mount cultivators that worked just a small strip, I think was about a foot wide, was intended for use in plow-plant system. It was made for the front mount cultivators so you would not have that front end of planter lifting problem. Garber Seeders were in St. Paris, Ohio and I think they still build seeders, not sure tho.

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IaGary

03-08-2007 12:28:42




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
Dave are you farming HEL? If not why are you worried about saving a few bucks on tillage.

This year more than ever you will get paid for your tillage.

If each tillage trip gains you 5 bushel to the acre, which I think it will, thats $20 for each tillage trip.

Now is the time to go for max yield at $4.00 a bushel.

And if you are thinking of high fuel costs,
thats the best thing that ever happen to us farmers.

I wish gas would go to $4.00 a gallon, and more switch would go to ethanol and corn would go higher to get more gallons of ethanol.

Gary

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Dave from MN

03-08-2007 15:44:21




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to IaGary, 03-08-2007 12:28:42  
Well, I thought I was in HEl, but I am a step down from that according to the chart, I guess the blowing dirt is just topsoil rotation(haha). If I plow I am worried about loss of organic matter int eh top few inches. Maybe I should just hit it with a feild cultivator and plant. I have to buy my seed quick here, any recommendations. Also am i better off broadcasting fertilizer prior to discing/feildcultivating, or stick with starter fertilizer in planter and broadcast more later in growing stage?

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IaGary

03-08-2007 16:56:17




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 15:44:21  
I also farm a lot of sand.

I have found that you pick varieties that are drought resistant.

And stick with the fullest season hybrid possible for you climate.

Taller hybreds are also favorful for sand cause you get more stalk to build your organic matter.

Blowing sand is bad on young plants. It will cut them off.

For that reason do not disc. A field cultivator leaves more residue on top to help on the blowing sand.

I do notill the tops of my sand hills where blowing is the worst.

Gary

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IaGary

03-08-2007 17:04:42




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to IaGary, 03-08-2007 16:56:17  
Spreading broadcast is good.

If you use starter in bags you get less units for your dollar but it will be where the plant can get it easier.

Starter customed mix and deliever in bulk is alright also.

Liquid or dry form of nitrogen will stay put better in sand than NH3 will.

Do not broadcast dry on growing corn it can burn the plant even more so on sand.

Sidedressing Nitrogen when corn is a foot tall on sand is the best.

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Gerald J.

03-08-2007 08:21:54




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
I tried something like that with a Cyclo 400 one year. I mounted a cultivator shank and 6" clipped shovel on the planter row unit front bar. My mount wasn't strong enough for the task but so long as I didn't knock the shanks off, I tilled a 6" swath and planted in it. I had the best looking stand I ever saw from that planter and planned to take out the rest of the grass with the row cultivator shortly. It rained for three weeks after planting. I wasn't using any chemicals. I could have sprayed glyphosate but didn't have it or the sprayer. I didn't pick the corn because there were no ears to see. Beans did 20 bushels.

Corn doesn't compete well with weeds, so you may need to do a burn down spray with glyphosate and maybe a residual herbicide.

Gerald J.

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fixerupper

03-08-2007 07:04:50




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
Back in the sixties Deere made a hitch just for this purpose. I pulled a planter behind a regular field cultivator for about ten years using my own homemade hitch, and it was really cost effective in the fact that I could go right out and plant without lining up another tractor and cultivator to go ahead of me. The soil on my farm is mainly black with a few sandy spots, so it tends to be a little sticky if it is not dry and the cultivator was always pulling up damp soil. I finally quit because the soil was building up on the depth wheels,and I just couldn't get good depth control or sometimes a wheel would plug and start sliding. I couldn't get good seed spacing either. Because the soil is black, I would also have to wait longer for it to dry out before I could plant, while the neighbor across the fence had already been planting for a day. You might not have this problem in your lighter soil. It takes a little bit of 'learnin' to get used to planting around curves with the planter back farther, but it's not a real problem. Just a few things to watch for. Your sandy soil probably dries out and warms up quick so you might get along just fine. I'd give it a try for a year. Jim

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Rich Va

03-08-2007 06:27:01




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
When the 7000 first came out it was available with no till coulters.



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jhill52

03-08-2007 05:44:42




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
John Deere offered a setup like you are talking about back in the 60's. Sorry no pictures.

As was said below the simpliest way to no- till in sandy ground is to add trash wheels to a JD 7000 planter. It doesn't take much in that kind of ground.



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dboll

03-08-2007 05:26:35




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
buy a 7000JD for $850 to $1200 and run trash fingers on it, I might have a 7000 to sell.



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Don-Wi

03-08-2007 22:24:05




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to dboll, 03-08-2007 05:26:35  
Where are you located and how much for your planter?

Donovan from Wisconsin



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johns48jdb

03-08-2007 05:04:41




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 Re: Min tillage with row cultivator in reply to Dave from MN, 03-08-2007 04:47:37  
i know a guy who ran a sub moisture plow in front of his planter like that. only thing was he forgot that the seed was falling way down in the trench. he had to replant everything. same principal may apply here. you may be setting yourself up to plant to deep. something you could adjust for i would think. how are you going to hitch the planter to the cultivator. also if you have sprayed over the top to kill everything before notill planting will that not open up a place for weed seed to come up in?

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