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John Deere #5 Mower Replacing Bar Sections

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Downeaster

03-06-2007 14:15:58




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Got a bolt kit to use to replace the sickle bar sections. Looks like I will have to add spacers to the hold downs and grind the bolts sticking up beyond the nuts, the nuts won"t clear the hold downs. Was this a wrong move trying to use a bolt kit instead of rivets? Am I doing something wrong? I have the bolt coming up through the bar, then the section, and the nut on top of the section. Any help with changing the ledger plates in the rock guards would be welcome. That"s the next challenge. Thanks All

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Dave H (MI)

03-07-2007 13:01:52




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 Re: John Deere #5 Mower Replacing Bar Sections in reply to Downeaster, 03-06-2007 14:15:58  
I have a couple three #5 mowers around here and use them regular. Never understood the strong opinions people register in favor of swapping to bolts. I can swap out a broken or chipped section on my mowers as fast with the rivets as I could with bolts. I hate to think of dealing with rusted or damaged threads. I use the "H" shaped rivet tool and can do repairs very quickly. I would guess about 3-5 minutes in the field for a repair. Don't think I could routinely beat that with two wrenches plus hammers and chisels for the bolts that won't come off. Just cause it's new don't make it better.

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James Howell

03-07-2007 10:17:06




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 Re: John Deere #5 Mower Replacing Bar Sections in reply to Downeaster, 03-06-2007 14:15:58  
The #5 operator�s manual has a very good illustration in the Aligning Cutter Bar section on the knife holder, wearing plate, and guard plate.

The manual also has a picture of the Guard and Knife Repair Block (guard anvil) that Lincoln referred to. These anvils are somewhat expensive if you can find them.

Replacing knife sections using rivets would have been �correct�, but since you have already used nuts and bolts there may still be hope.

KEH is correct about building up the clips with washers not working because that will also raise the clip above the blade. He suggests that if necessary, it should be possible to fabricate a high clearance clip.

Using a knife holder/clip with a high clearance might work for you.

Take a look at the knife clips at the link listed below.

Hope this helps. Keep us up to date on your project.

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Lincoln

03-06-2007 17:25:13




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 Re: John Deere #5 Mower Replacing Bar Sections in reply to Downeaster, 03-06-2007 14:15:58  
John Deere used two types of ledger plates. The snap in ones can be removed by prying up on the back of the ledger plate and using a punch to pry it backwards once it starts to clear the stud. Reverse to put new ones in, then use a punch to set some of the stud material to tighten it.

A guard anvil makes the riveted ones easy. They are replaced by putting the guard in the anvil with the ledger facing up and driving the rivet out from the top downward. Set new plate in, put in new countersunk rivet and set it from the bottom with the top of the ledger plate resting on the post on the guard anvil. Its hard to explain without pictures, but quite simple once you see it done once.

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KEH

03-06-2007 17:12:45




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 Re: John Deere #5 Mower Replacing Bar Sections in reply to Downeaster, 03-06-2007 14:15:58  

When I put bolts on my NH Haybine I had to buy hold down clips that were made high enough to clear bolts. They didn't have bolts when the JD #5 was made( I don't think) but maybe the same hold downs from a late model JD mower conditioner will fit and you can get high clearance hold downs from the JD dealer. Building up the clips with washers will not work because that will also raise the clip above the blade. If necessary, it should be possible to fabricate a high clearance clip. I don't guess we would be so lucky that JD and NH clips would interchange, but I don't know. Hope this helps.

KEH

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Randy as in Randy-IA

03-07-2007 18:55:48




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 Re: John Deere #5 Mower Replacing Bar Sections in reply to KEH, 03-06-2007 17:12:45  
I don't know for sure but I bet generic clips from any farm store would work . They worked good on my IH 990 and my Oliver 415 . And they are a lot cheaper than factory parts . Just a thought . ...Randy



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