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tim[in]

03-04-2007 15:50:16

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do any of the farmers remember false endgates used in box wagons?i''m planning on rebuilding my wagon this summer and installing one on my wagon. did the cables just go from the false endgate to the winch rod the went across the wagon or did they make a complete circle of the wagon? it's been so long since i was around them and i was only about 6,6 or 8 tops. also does anyone remember the gear combination used for the hand crancked winch? i remember two gears. i had two endgates located and the guy decided he didnt want to deal with a bunch of people wanting stuff so he scrapped it and several dozen manure spreaders and other implements. so i have to start from square one when i rebuild this summer.

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Leroy

03-06-2007 16:45:04

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

They were usualy used on wagons for chopped hay ar silage,base sideboards about 3 ft. high with top boards for anouther 3 ft. When dode with the chopper the wagon had the top boards removed and same bed with the false engate wsed for ear corn. They were powered 3 different ways, the hand crank and the electric motor drive if you had electricity at where you wanted to unload as a lot easier, then later they came out with a unit that fastened to the front of the bedthat the cables pulled from and it was run with a pto shaft to the tractor. That is where the self unloading beds developed from by reversing the fals engate, then switching to a manure spreader type of drag chain instead of the fals endgates. Some also used a conveyer canvas

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`Bernie in MA

03-06-2007 16:25:59

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

I built a rig like that after I had my knee replaced so I wouldn't have to carry bales and fertilizer bags. I mounted a Ramsey winch on the truck bed behind the cab, ran the cable around a pulley on the back end and pull an aluminum sliding headboard to the back along with the 100 bales of hay on the truck. Just push the button and the bales come to you. For the fertilizer I pull a 1-ton pallet with a grabber (from Northern Tool) onto the power tailgate, lower it and raise it as I slide each layer of bags off. No carrying, works slicker than snot on a doorknob. I'm retired from/with my own welding/fab shop building my own ideas like I've always dreamed of. Alls I need is my brain and body to hold out for a few more years.

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Fordfarmer

03-05-2007 07:50:40

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

I'm glad I happened to check this forum and read this. My Grandpa had gone to chopper boxes before I came along, so I've never seen or heard exactly how those wagons worked. We used to have parts of the false endgates laying around, and I have a New Holland ratchet drive (Model 37, if I remember right. Anyone interested?)in my garage right now that I don't know what to do with. I have a retired neighbor who I rent cropland from who also has some of this equipment - a Gehl long-hopper blower and some false engate parts, anyway.

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tim[in]

03-06-2007 14:06:53

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Re: false endgates in reply to Fordfarmer, 03-05-2007 07:50:40

how big is this ratchet drive?can it be manually cranked? where are you located? how much? around here in central indiana i only seen one and it was used for ear corn and all 3 wagons wee manually cranked. thanks to all that replied!=)

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Fordfarmer

03-07-2007 06:47:21

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-06-2007 14:06:53

It stands about 3 1/2 feet tall, about 4 feet long, has 2 steel wheels about 10" tall, and a jackstand on the other end. It has an electric motor mounting plate on it, but I would suppose it could be hand cranked. That would be pretty slow, though- even in the faster speed (it has 2 speeds plus neutral). I'm near Ladysmith in northern Wisconsin- about 60 miles north and a little east of Eau Claire. I have no idea what it's worth. Probably $10 as scrap, but I don't like to scrap things that are in good shape, if I can find someone who wants them. You can drop me an email at [email protected] if you'd like.
-Mark

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tim[in]

03-07-2007 13:23:49

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Re: false endgates in reply to Fordfarmer, 03-07-2007 06:47:21

thanks so much for your reply. what i was thinking of was was a small thing with 2 gears that sat on the side of the wagon and was hand cranked back. my neighbor had one on each of his 3 wagons. i think i'll have to make mine from the gears on semi trailor landing gears.thanks again. your reply is deeply appreciated.

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Leroy

03-08-2007 17:38:36

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-07-2007 13:23:49

Think about the web ratchet from a ground drive manure spreader, that will have built in the stop to keep it from going back to previous setting every time you let loose of the crank and you not gaining any distance without that stop

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tim[in]

03-08-2007 20:03:17

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Re: false endgates in reply to Leroy, 03-08-2007 17:38:36

well i had some decent equiptment lined up but the owner decided that instead of selling to people who wanted to pay a fair price for the spreaders and other assorted equipment, decided instead to sell it all for scrap.=(. lots of old usable spreaders and other assorted equipment was destroyed.but yes , some kind of ratchet is what i know i'll need on it. thanks for the input. looking forward to this project.

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Leroy

03-09-2007 17:05:23

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-08-2007 20:03:17

If interested in some spreader parts I have some on junk spreader, Western Ohio at Wapakoneta

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vernMN

03-05-2007 03:27:05

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

JMS/MN descibes it good. but I beleive Gehl sold kits that used the chain instead of the cable. I still have an old rachet drive at home as a reminder of the good old days.

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tim[in]

03-04-2007 20:05:39

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

yeh what i am thinking about is the ones where guys used them for earcorn. i remember a neighbor used them until just a few years before he died and he finally bought a gravitybed. sure wish i had bought one at his sale. too young and stupid and trying to play the losing get modern and get out game.

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Loren in Florida

03-04-2007 20:04:41

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

JMS is talking about exactly what we had. They were Heider boxes, Carroll, IA. Still have 3 of them. Unfortunately, they are in MN and I'm in FL. But I think I have some pictures and the owners manual somewhere. I'll look and see what I can find.

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JMS/MN

03-04-2007 19:32:16

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

Neighbor that did custom silo filling in the 50s had wagons about 7 by 12 feet with the false endgates, pulled by cables that wrapped around a 2 1/2 or 3 inch pipe at the rear. Square drive in the pipe. Endgates had two angle iron frameworks that held inch boards, lower portion angled to the rear, upper portion was vertical, total maybe 3/4 as high as the box sides, which were about 5-6 feet tall. Angle iron framework positioned to ride on flat iron on the floor- to slide easier. Pulled them back to the front by hand, stationary ratchet unit driven by electric motor sat on ground alongside of the wagon rear. Similar drive unit was available on AC forage blower, maybe others as well.

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Ken Thies

03-04-2007 17:49:51

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

Back in the 50s we used woven wire laid from the back to the front and 2x6 clamped on with cable fastened on each end.
Hook on to the cable in the middle with another cable to the tractor unloading the wagon and roll the load off.
I know that isn't much of an explanation but if you are interested I can draw a picture and scan it for you.
Ahh the good ol days.
Ken

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tim[in]

03-04-2007 20:09:23

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Re: false endgates in reply to Ken Thies, 03-04-2007 17:49:51

i've seen that set up in a old farm textbook. too bad modern boks cant teach inovative things like that.

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Ravgardner

03-04-2007 16:10:07

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Re: false endgates in reply to tim[in], 03-04-2007 15:50:16

Our gates were pulled by chains that lay on the floor of the wagon under the corn silage. Our winch was a removable electric motor that stay at the silo and put on the wagon during unloading. I'd go with chains again if I was reconstructing one. Cables are so stiff and often want to coil and curl that they would seem to be a problem in the making.

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paul

03-04-2007 21:04:35

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Re: false endgates in reply to Ravgardner, 03-04-2007 16:10:07

Dad & 2-3 neighbors got together for silage filling, went from place to place. Used the typical 100 bu barge box, put on sides & top-swing endgate & the sliding wedge up front. About doubled their volume.

They used an old tranny, put a tractor pto to it, & the output to the cable wind. That got upgraded to an electric motor later on, still ran the old tranny with the motor tho. (Now that I think on it, there was also an old sickle mower - horse pulled - frame involved as well, they got the gearing down with what was available....)

I was about 6 when dad got out of silage, so I remember the contraption, and I remember helping to bolt up the box about 2 years - but don't remember much detail.

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

03-05-2007 08:20:15

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Re: false endgates in reply to paul, 03-04-2007 21:04:35

Growing up I had an old neighbor with a Kools blower- had to back up to it to unload. Fred staked a car frame to the ground, electric motor to the tranny, rope from block and tackle was wrapped around bare drive rim on rear axle. B&T hooked to false endgate. Quite a commotion, but it did work.

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